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one of my favorite movies recently. good acting all the way through.
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The question is who did NOT watch that movie on netflix
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Summer fashunz in my town. Beaches dominated by older, overweight dudes.

There's also a Kiko cameo. shog[1].gif
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http://meganannwilson.com/russell-westbrooks-newfound-eyewear-obession/

I was already a major Thunder fan, but Westbrooks love of eyewear makes me like him even more. Dude wears Junya to press conferences.
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Glasses don't suit him imo, but confidence is key I suppose.
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The way clothing has purposes that are both artistic and pragmatic is what makes it interesting for me.

At its origin, for caveman, etc., clothing was used because it helped protect from the elements. And while fashion has always added an artistic side to things, I can never get past the fact that the purpose of clothing (however bizarre or conceptual) is to be worn, not just observed like a painting. 

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So, to bring together two topics from the past page, Takeshi Kitano makes teashades look so badass

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Here is my slightly more thought-out response. First, I want to point out that my problem with the image I posted is not that it's unsellable or not worth buying. My point had nothing to do with commerce. My problem is with the concept itself. Let's talk about what the garments do to this woman's body. They give her a shapeless, lumpy torso; they basically swallow her neck; they create large bulges on top of the midsection, butt, and thighs. Essentially the garments mimic large deposits of body fat and consequently make the woman look like she herself is fat, whether she is or not. Now, you could argue that the point of these garments, the intellectual concept behind them, is to turn the appearance of an overweight body into something beautiful. The cultural paradigm is that fat is ugly, and the garments subvert this paradigm, forcing the viewer to reconsider their idea of what's beautiful. The issue is that the garments, in my opinion, don't achieve this (or come anywhere near close).

The key to accomplishing a feat like that is skill. Great works of art that are "ugly"—Picasso's Les Demoiselles d'Avignon is a terrific example, but there are plenty of others in all media—are also exceptional displays of skill, and that demonstration of talent and ability can make them beautiful. So they have a surprising or subversive concept, but that concept is masterfully carried out in the actual qualities of the artwork (the brush strokes and colors and composition and all that, or fabric and cut and stitching and drape, etc...you get the idea). Here, however, the garments just look like a mess to me. The top reminds me of a badly made pillow with sad fabric and lumpy, uneven stuffing. It's basically a concept and not much else. In fact, I'd say the garments contradict everything smart and surprising and ironic about Rei's designs. They seem deliberately ugly but without being surprising or forcing me to rethink anything, and as a result they actually reinforce the cultural paradigm about fat. So much for subversive.

It is possible to have an "ugly" artwork that is successful without being a great display of skill, but they're tough to do without them getting boring really quickly. Duchamp had a knack for that. I get a chuckle whenever I think of "Fountain." But then again it's not something I ever feel the desire to look at. It'll probably take someone about two minutes to disprove everything I've written, but that's basically what I was thinking when I saw that picture. shog[1].gif
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Didn't even realize that was the picture that started it all... I don't think anyone disagrees that it looks awful to be honest (and it's not like that collection didn't cause a stir in 1996...) but you're still thinking in terms of wearability imho. Some concepts just don't translate well to real life and real people, some of the runway outfits and the dance performance inspired by the collection (one of the pics reminds me of Moebius for some reason) look weirdly beautiful to me. I know it'll look like a mess in the street 100% of the time but I can still enjoy the creation for what it is.


To be fair, that Comme dress is a shitty example, I'm not really satisifed with my reply and I also have things to say about "beautiful" vs. "flattering" etc but i've got a massive headache so maybe later.



Also, this was posted in the other thread but I think it's pretty relevant to the discussion here.

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Originally Posted by Urthwhyte View Post

I have a very strict mental classification system between clothing, fashion, and style. To me, an interest in Fashion entails having an interest in the history, the provenance of trends, performing, in a way, a close reading of collections, trying to understand the influences that have lead to its creation and the message, if any, the designer is trying to send. It's an academic interest divorced from consumerism. An interest in style is cultivating a wardrobe that in some sense is reflective of you and your personality, but you don't give a damn for ~*~*~brand synergy~*~*~ insofar as how it furthers your own goals. Clothing is clothes. The dockers and polos and jeans/tee consumers of the world. IMO, you can define most people's interests along those three axis.

That said the proportion of men and women interested in Fashion is probably fairly equal, and we've a societal pressure that forces men away from following that interest.

Edited by sipang - 6/3/12 at 4:00pm
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Lumps and Bumps was SS97, actually. Rei's point with that dress wasn't to create something wearable, but to make a statement as to standards of beauty - to force viewers to question why it was always of the utmost import for a garment to be flattering. I know I've read a quote to that effect from Rei very recently
 

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Originally Posted by Urthwhyte View Post

Lumps and Bumps was SS97, actually. Rei's point with that dress wasn't to create something wearable, but to make a statement as to standards of beauty - to force viewers to question why it was always of the utmost import for a garment to be flattering. I know I've read a quote to that effect from Rei very recently

People have a hard enough time looking decent in clothing allegedly designed to help them do just that, I don't think anybody is well served by an endeavour in the opposite direction. Seriously, half of America makes a white t-shirt and jeans look god-awful, do we really need to amplify that with additional layers of simulated fat and deformity? Vonnegut's short story Harrison Bergeron comes to mind in a twisted fashion, but I did just smoke a J.
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Originally Posted by GoldenTribe View Post


People have a hard enough time looking decent in clothing allegedly designed to help them do just that, I don't think anybody is well served by an endeavour in the opposite direction. Seriously, half of America makes a white t-shirt and jeans look god-awful, do we really need to amplify that with additional layers of simulated fat and deformity? Vonnegut's short story Harrison Bergeron comes to mind in a twisted fashion, but I did just smoke a J.

 

It was clothes for thought, not clothes for wearing. And fat Americans couldn't fit simulated fat over their real fat (3)

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But it was shown in 1996 : ) (I think ? )

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To create this collection, Kawakubo was inspired by images from the natural world as well as devices from the past such as bustles or corsets that were used to accentuate different parts of the body.
Kawakubo puts odd-shaped lumps in new and unusual places. Some critics considered the lumps disturbing, finding them suggestive of either pregnancy or cancerous tumours.
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Sipang you should post the dance performance vid as well.
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