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post #58696 of 109053
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Originally Posted by zissou View Post

^Engineered Garments Bedford

its actually not a bedford, I forgot the correct name but I think it has 5 or 6 buttons

edit: here it is
http://www.secondstage2008.jp/L-ENGINEERED12SS-PORTERJACKET-JERSEY-GREY.html
post #58697 of 109053
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Originally Posted by smashwindow View Post
BMI RAGE wtf is up with quotes tonight

SF quoting is not working for me for some reason, but BMI is a measure of weight across the population and is virtually meaningless for an individual. The closer to the norm you are the better an indicator it is, but on the whole for non-population wide studies or a very quick benchmark it should be ignored.

post #58698 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

tom ford is getting singled out because you posted his ad, and his ads are perhaps the most egregious 'sexualized' high fashion images you can see. and obviously the advertisers bear the burden of responsibility here. you can say that 'well they're just doing what helps sell their client's products,' but come on, personal (or corporate) responsibility exists on some level.
the better, and more interesting, conversation to me is how bad is this actually? of course it helps create eating disorders, of course it's bad for women's self esteem, but are those things actually harming society?

Well, i don't know whether it harms society, but do you want to live in a society where peoples' self esteems are needlessly harmed? You can complain about the nanny state all you want, but society is doing things about smoking, obesity, driving safety etc etc. Obesity to me is a multifactorial equation - part of being healthy and having your life on track and organised is eating healthy and exercising. We know both of these things are good for you, but there's also the psychosocial aspect that (even if you're obese) eating healthy just makes you feel better. I don't claim to know much about depression, but it strikes me as a bit of a circular disease. Would you not want to promote healthy minds?

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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

just to clarify (and I'm not 100% sure that I agree with this, just kind of musing):
BUT, with all that said, I have a feeling that the consequences of social weight expectations (created by ad campaigns such as the tom ford one above) are far less "bad" than those of obesity. and I have a dark suspicion that the unintended side effect of such social pressures might be a reduction in obesity.

Hmmm, I don't really think this is true. People already, almost intuitively know being obese is bad for them, but as I said above, it's one of those sorta Life Organisation things - people who can stick to their fiscal goals, their work goals, can shrug off shitty relationships, have a good social circle etc. seem (anecdotally, no evidence to back me up here) to be more motivated to lose weight.
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Originally Posted by KingJulien View Post

Tangentially, apparently obesity, like smoking, is actually counterintuitive in that it costs the health care system less because the obese die earlier.

...incorrect, and more incorrect if you don't live in a ridiculously capitalist country...


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Originally Posted by hoozah View Post

I also recall reading an article in Macleans stating being skinnier leads to a healthier and longer life (135 skinny). And chinese are statistically known to live the longest and how many fat chinese do you see?

The first part is true, but it's not really relevant. It's just that eating a very small amount, and being inactive is good for you because your overall energy turnover is very low - meaning less free radicals, less cell turnover (oooh cancer), less injury, etc etc. Also just the fact that smaller people have fewer cells means they're less statistically likely to get cancer.

I.e. life is bad for you.

The second part doesn't mean anything.
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Originally Posted by thewho13 View Post

But the point that I want to make is that being overweight—or even "obese," in some circumstances—does not necessarily mean unhealthy. .”[/I]

Correct.
post #58699 of 109053

I have received treatment for eating disorder in the past its a strange world. All of the places I went to were very posh and there were loads of good looking girls.  In fact they would probably consider most of the h&f guys in here with ocd calorie counting and over lifting as having nervosis bulimia

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Originally Posted by Urthwhyte View Post

I actually work on an eating disorder related piece of software as a hobby/job and consequently read a massive amount of what's published on the subject, albeit mostly related to treatment of adolescents and not epidemiology. From my quite possibly flawed recollection the tl;dr is that yes, media does have an impact, and incidences of anorexia and bulimia went up in countries where television was introduced relatively recently, but it was only a single factor and not a "P then Q" type relation. To just grab a summary from The Handbook of Eating Disorders, 2nd Ed, Treasure, Schmidt, Furth, et al

 

 

Stats Yo (Click to show)

The average prevalence rate for young females is 0.3% for anorexia nervosa and 1% for bulimia nervosa. The overall prevalence of obesity may be in the order of 5–10%. The overall incidence is at least 8 per 100 000 person-years for anorexia nervosa and 12 per 100 000 person-years for bulimia nervosa. No reliable incidence data are available for obesity. The standardized mortality rate in the first 10 years after detection is 9.6 for anorexia nervosa, 7.4 for bulimia nervosa. For obesity it is assumed that mortality is  elevated by about 50–150% in most adult populations.
The incidence rate of anorexia nervosa has increased during the past 50 years, particularly in females 10–24 years old. The registered incidence of bulimia nervosa has increased, at least during the first five years after bulimia nervosa was introduced in the DSM-III. The prevalence of obesity is increasing in most of the established market economies. Without societal changes a substantial and steadily rising proportion of adults will succumb to the
 medical complications of obesity.
Risk factor research is still sparse, both for eating disorders and for obesity. There is a need for prospective, follow-up designs using initially healthy subjects at high risk for developing an eating disorder or obesity. Depending on the question to be answered, these could be matched on sex, age and socio-economic status with initially healthy

post #58700 of 109053
My mother gave me a quote from Charles Sykes when I was in middle school:
"The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself."
post #58701 of 109053
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Originally Posted by smashwindow View Post

I have received treatment for eating disorder in the past its a strange world. All of the places I went to were very posh and there were loads of good looking girls.  In fact they would probably consider most of the h&f guys in here with ocd calorie counting and over lifting as having nervosis bulimia


Depends if you end up in a nice facility and the area demographic. Much different experience at somewhere that's getting paid many thousands a day by the insurance co and a state mental ward. As for the good looking girls, yea, there is still an element of it that's a "rich white person" disease. With AN especially control and pride often play a large role in developing the disorder, as does the same self-discipline that makes them tend to excel in other areas of life.

 

If you ever want to chat about it, feel free to PM me. Have plenty of stories to share and research to talk about

 

WRT H&F guys, it could probably end up that way especially if there's exercise as a compensatory measure for perceived indulgences. Wrong place for armchair psychiatry through.

post #58702 of 109053
Did any of you guys ever read Midnight's Children? There's this section of the book where everyone is in the Sunderbans, hallucinating. I'm pretty sure that's what life is.
post #58703 of 109053
Can everyone just shut the fuck up already.
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Agreed it was kinda instilled in me by my step dad who would a eat a whole suckling pig then run 5 miles a day and eat only yogurt and seeds the following week.  Control is a huge part of it. According to the mmpi I have npd and histrionic traits, add to that bipolar II loads of drug abuse (uppers mainly) and a fucked up family and you've got a recipe for disaster.  Loads of exercise and sobriety and meds really help a lot.

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Originally Posted by Urthwhyte View Post


Depends if you end up in a nice facility and the area demographic. Much different experience at somewhere that's getting paid many thousands a day by the insurance co and a state mental ward. As for the good looking girls, yea, there is still an element of it that's a "rich white person" disease. With AN especially control and pride often play a large role in developing the disorder, as does the same self-discipline that makes them tend to excel in other areas of life.

 

If you ever want to chat about it, feel free to PM me. Have plenty of stories to share and research to talk about

 

WRT H&F guys, it could probably end up that way especially if there's exercise as a compensatory measure for perceived indulgences. Wrong place for armchair psychiatry through.

post #58705 of 109053

Maybe we need an intellectual masturbation thread?

post #58706 of 109053
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Maybe we need an intellectual masturbation thread?

what the fck have you people done to WAYWT foo.gif
post #58707 of 109053
Boulder is a really bad place for eating disorders. High school is a mess.

Also unrelated: anorexia among college athletes is a very real thing. These psychotic sports commercials of Sharapova and Hope Solo and whoever the fuck else aren't doing anyone any favors. That said, I guess I'm with teger, it's just hard to watch when the counterswing is so damaging, particularly to people who are not unhealthy.
post #58708 of 109053
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Maybe we need an intellectual masturbation thread?

Masturbation is what only a select few of us do. Noobizor, myself, graphicnovelty - and I can feel TheWho sending out tendrils of intellectual irrelevance into the Styleforum web-o-sphere. Sipang and Shah are also occasional contributors.

What is happening here is incredibly relevant, like it or not.
post #58709 of 109053

Did you go to boulder high? I go to NA meetings and half the people there are from boulder high its ridiculous. Having been fat I feel no pity for fat people and I agree with teger on those points too.

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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post

Boulder is a really bad place for eating disorders. High school is a mess.
Also unrelated: anorexia among college athletes is a very real thing. These psychotic sports commercials of Sharapova and Hope Solo and whoever the fuck else aren't doing anyone any favors. That said, I guess I'm with teger, it's just hard to watch when the counterswing is so damaging, particularly to people who are not unhealthy.
post #58710 of 109053
Fairview, which is, in my opinion, worse. More coke, tougher socioeconomic standards, a pretty out-of-it faculty...and, of course, football.
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