I love my MMM for the design and the fit (on me) and because it's a bit of a historic grail item and mine is extremely broken in and looks cool, but it is NOT anywhere near the level of quality of the TOJ, and that is not shilling. I can make a TOJ leather jacket at the quality level of the MMM for something like $350, but I don't want to, I want to make something better. I also wore winqs Julius FW06 leather quite a bit and I've had a number of other nice leathers in the past, and the Julius is the only jacket I feel competes with TOJ on quality/materials. It is pretty easy to tell why just upon first glance; -the leather on my MMM is about B-grade cowhide. Yes, it looks great now, but I can tell it wasn't anything special to begin with and it's 10 years of patina that make it lood good. It's dyed well; struck-through black with what I think might be separate blue and yellow dying probably; I see them fade to greenish brown, alothough mine hasn't faded. The leather being thin just means it has gone through more splits and given up more flesh, ie produced more (cheap) suede, leather is always a two in one thing nowadays where the hair side give gives the leather and the flesh side is skivved away to produce all the cheap suede on the market. -The leather edges are all cut on the MMM. Around the zippers, behind the placket, everywhere. This is pretty low quality. I get my sewers to fold and sew just about every seam possible (sometimes with thick calf it's not possible to fold 4 layers of that and sew them) and the pockets get separate trim flashings as well, all labor labor intensive. Total number of pieces of leather cut to make MMM 5-zip = 15, including lining Total number of pieces of leather cut to make TOJ Moto = 25 (?) or so, the DR takes something like 35 pieces. That is not because they are cutting pieces of leather down to maximize hides and 'piece' stuff together, the size of the main panels that are taken from the hide hearts are still just the same. -MMM lining = black cotton and cupro sleeves, the lining is disentegrating on mine. TOJ lining = striated cupro, from Japan. Industry standard. - My leathers: New Zealand or French A plus grade lambskin, or a special cowhide reserved for motorcycle jackets. Both cost roughly the same; I'd honestly pin the MMM's leather at 2/3rds the price materials wise, Rick Owens at less than half, most anything else less than half. -vintage MMM 5-zips have MRS zippers, which are good and make the style of the jacket; new models since a few years ago have had YKK's with bar pulls, the same exact zippers I use. Anyway, the point I wanted to make wasn't to shill my leathers beacuse they are what they are, but I think the term 'quality' gets thrown around a lot, and when it comes to leather jackets that carry huge markups and premiums, I think there is a lot of truth to be told. The same goes for suits, etc, but leather jackets are traditionally known to be extremely expensive, but materials and labor wise they are not any more expensive than a medium-cheap suit. I have seen a few leather jackets that I feel really jumped out at me materials and quality wise; Quai de Valmy had a leather moto recently that had the same rich lambskin that I use, but that jacket was unlined, and fit a bit weird. It was about 600 Euro on sale from Colette and normally about 2-3000, it's 3000 locally here. RLPL and PRL have had some nice feeling leather jackets, but they don't work unless you're 60. My original intention was to actually bring the feel and make of a RLPL leather I saw many years ago, into a modern design.