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post #58156 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Lel View Post

Am I the only one who thinks that SF SW&D is better than ever? There's more brands and more diversity than ever before, a lot of members have left but there's been a influx of new members also. I guess the trade off is that the forum might be more intimidating/less welcoming but IMO that's much better than stagnation.

yeah I prefer it now mostly. I am not sorry to see the withering of workwear, for one thing.

There has always been abuse and noob hazing even back in the day, mostly because it is good for cheap laughs but it also helps establish priority among the apes in the SF primate house. That is almost inevitable. When I get together with my friends we usually give each other a hard time in a good-natured way, so all this seems like normal behavior to me.

The main thing that is worse is the Huddler incompatibility with iOS. There is no excuse for that.
post #58157 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

i'm not a fan of the thumbs up/thumbs down system at all. also again, where's that tagut post?

It's in this thread.
post #58158 of 109053
Also Tagutcow sounded like he was thinking back to a time when the forum was receptive to his fits and their "everyday this-is-what-I'm-actually-wearing" truthfulness. But let's face it. That time has never existed. Two presidents have served during the time we've been telling Tagutcow to cut his hair.
post #58159 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Urthwhyte View Post


If you start off knowing nothing at all about the subject it is definitely intimidating - there is a vocabulary you have to possess to participate - but that's no different than any other forum. Once that hurdle is cleared, and provided you post in the proper place (i.e don't ask about MMM in the Geller thread or Vans in the baller sneaks thread) people are on the whole happy to offer advice, knowledge, and criticism.

I will echo Milano's complaint that the thumbs system does make WAYWT a bit harder to follow and has stymied discussion significantly. As is the discussion of fits feels less substantial than it has been in the past.

This is really a design issue more than anything. A good community site should guide user's once they sign up, e.g. "OK, here's your welcome pack! Now, some things you can do: set an avatar, check this topic, this and this, etc." It wouldn't kill special flowers, but come on, you can't dump people into an ocean without teaching them how to swim first. Wise members will lurk before jumping into posting, but a lot could be done to alleviate these issues. SF in general is just a user experience nightmare. It's a forum for people who understand forums already.

As for thumbs up system -- would be much better without the comments enabled, I think. People are starting to use it as a reply system, where they're even leaving negative comments in there ... it should be obvious not to use it that way, but here we are.
post #58160 of 109053
Hey Tagut, The 90's called, they want everything back.
post #58161 of 109053
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Originally Posted by brad-t View Post


This is really a design issue more than anything. A good community site should guide user's once they sign up, e.g. "OK, here's your welcome pack! Now, some things you can do: set an avatar, check this topic, this and this, etc." It wouldn't kill special flowers, but come on, you can't dump people into an ocean without teaching them how to swim first. Wise members will lurk before jumping into posting, but a lot could be done to alleviate these issues. SF in general is just a user experience nightmare. It's a forum for people who understand forums already.
As for thumbs up system -- would be much better without the comments enabled, I think. People are starting to use it as a reply system, where they're even leaving negative comments in there ... it should be obvious not to use it that way, but here we are.

 

Lurking is key.

 

There's been many developmental studies showing that children who first observe a group while acting as an acquaintance and learns the speed and behavior of the group will have more success in integrating with it as opposed to someone jumping in and trying to force their way in or even trying to impose their own ideas onto the group.

post #58162 of 109053
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Originally Posted by brad-t View Post


This is really a design issue more than anything. A good community site should guide user's once they sign up, e.g. "OK, here's your welcome pack! Now, some things you can do: set an avatar, check this topic, this and this, etc."

 

But where would you send them? SF isn't selling anyone anything, or trying to entice users to sign up in the same way that a SaaS startup is. Someone coming in to ask what to wear to an interview needs to be given totally different information than someone more interested in the SW&D side of things.

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It wouldn't kill special flowers, but come on, you can't dump people into an ocean without teaching them how to swim first. Wise members will lurk before jumping into posting, but a lot could be done to alleviate these issues. SF in general is just a user experience nightmare. It's a forum for people who understand forums already.

Forums are forums for people who understand forums already. I'm blinded to some of the largest UX issues because I'm a web dev and have been online since before I could count to ten without referencing my fingers, but I don't generally see those as barriers to adoption. Direct people to an FAQ after they register, perhaps, but this isn't reddit.

 

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As for thumbs up system -- would be much better without the comments enabled, I think. People are starting to use it as a reply system, where they're even leaving negative comments in there ... it should be obvious not to use it that way, but here we are.

Totally agree.

post #58163 of 109053
i lurked for a year while wearing colorful lacoste polos and converses before I registered...I remember I used the search function heavily to find aesthetics I liked, and its how i found brands I liked too. This whole shit about guiding sounds gay.
post #58164 of 109053
It's pretty fascinating to see people use the thumbs-up button as a miniature comments system. It fills a need that the previous comment system did not: it offers space for comments that posters don't deem important enough for the main thread but still believe deserve a mass audience.
post #58165 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post

It's pretty fascinating to see people use the thumbs-up button as a miniature comments system. It fills a need that the previous comment system did not: it offers space for comments that posters don't deem important enough for the main thread but still believe deserve a mass audience.


Then give them status as comments and offer the ability to "Show all" - as it is a UX nightmare to read through them, and it causes weird non-sequitors frequently when people reply to them.

post #58166 of 109053

sf thumbs up system makes this place feel like reddit.....which is really lame

post #58167 of 109053
as i said in that thread, i think that all of the issues with the interface/huddler can be ascribed to sf as a business, not as a forum. the reason we don't have things like join date requirements to start threads is that restrictions like that impede forum traffic, and more traffic means more ad revenue. it is what it is.
post #58168 of 109053
^ i think we all did -- minus iwvri. Somehow he came out of the womb rocking yohji and sandals.
post #58169 of 109053
I don't agree that SF is a "bad" place for noobs. I came here knowing very very little about fashion, I was just looking for a cheap pair of raw denimz after reading a nyt article on "crazy people who never wash their jeans."

in a year and a half or whatever I've learned a ton. I've picked up some nice pieces of clothing and have a good idea of what type of stuff i want to buy/wear in the future. i've met some cool people (irl) from this site and see myself being interested in the fashion world for a while.

worth noting I've also wasted a fuckton of time on this site, I tend to lurk a lot while at the library studying.

edit- it also helps if you can take criticism well. i took/still take a lot of shit about my fits, but you have to look at it in a constructive manner. when it comes down to it, most people on this site want to help, you just need to purge the useless responses from ones that are honest and constructive.
post #58170 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

as i said in that thread, i think that all of the issues with the interface/huddler can be ascribed to sf as a business, not as a forum. the reason we don't have things like join date requirements to start threads is that restrictions like that impede forum traffic, and more traffic means more ad revenue. it is what it is.

If stuff like the sidebar bothers you that much it's literally a one-line userstyle fix. As for things like post-restrictions, that's generally dumb IME. Most of the discussion on SF occurs in a very small number of threads. Just subscribe to your favourite designer+recent purchases+should I or shouldn't i+waywt and bookmark the subscription page. Bam, newb threads are hidden.

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Originally Posted by mike868y View Post

I don't agree that SF is a "bad" place for noobs. I came here knowing very very little about fashion, I was just looking for a cheap pair of raw denimz after reading a nyt article on "crazy people who never wash their jeans."
in a year and a half or whatever I've learned a ton. I've picked up some nice pieces of clothing and have a good idea of what type of stuff i want to buy/wear in the future. i've met some cool people (irl) from this site and see myself being interested in the fashion world for a while.
worth noting I've also wasted a fuckton of time on this site, I tend to lurk a lot while at the library studying.
edit- it also helps if you can take criticism well. i took/still take a lot of shit about my fits, but you have to look at it in a constructive manner. when it comes down to it, most people on this site want to help, you just need to purge the useless responses from ones that are honest and constructive.

SF is a bad place for noobs in the same way the 41 is. There's a contingent of long-time users who all BS, make inside jokes, and post the majority of the long-lasting threads, a few newer people working their way into prominence, and then a bunch of lurkers who post the occasional genuine question and otherwise passively consume.

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