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post #108841 of 109053
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
 

I think there was something that was setup especially for GMTO and group orders, but never really took off

Yeah, it really requires someone to take charge of it.  I started it, but I can't really manage it.  I was going to have one of the mods do it, but the guy slated had other personal issues to deal with.

 

Hopefully soon though.

 

GMTOs of all stripes will be allowed, from affiliate vendors, or from individual members.  For individual members, we can also help broker relationships with vendors who typically only deal with merchants, manage payments so that everyone feels secure, etc...

 

Cheers,

 

Fok. 

post #108842 of 109053
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Originally Posted by ghdvfddzgzdzg View Post

I'd mention the thread here in rft. But yes, I'd join a preorders mailing list

I did for Attachment. Should've done it for Iroquois too, but it feels like a weird way to use a forum ... frown.gif
post #108843 of 109053

OK I'm a bit drunk so not a random fashion thought but a random thought in general. I've been working for over 4 years for a british company. First year and a half in the main office in London but now I work remotely and I only go there once per year or so. I'm flying on Sunday to London for a week and scared as if it was my first day in school, even though I already know most of my coworkers. The reason: the language.

 

I think I can write and speak (at least basic) English, enough to get my work done (IT). Internet has helped a lot with that. But understanding what others say is a completely different beast. If I watch a BBC newscast I will understand 99% of what they say, I guess it's the closest to the (posh?) English we're taught at school. But even with movies I struggle without subtitles, and god forbid someone with a strong accent (my new boss) or who speaks very fast talk to me.

 

Some people find it easy to learn a second language (as an adult, as a kid doesn't count), but I find it so hard.

post #108844 of 109053
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Originally Posted by sipang View Post

subscriptions are why forums go to shit

I know I'm stoking fires, but ...

I used to browse CM's main page all the time, but rarely do anymore. The problem is that nobody starts interesting threads anymore. It's all super practical advice, like where should I get a wedding suit, or can I wear black shoes with brown suits. Or the latest one: where can I get underwear to make my dick look small (real thread). Then there's the 100 affiliate and appreciation threads, which have even worse discussions.

I get the impression that @LA Guy either pays or encourages certain people to post threads, but all of them feel kind of forced. Like "OK guys, let's gather around and have a discussion." Not to knock the people starting those threads, or discourage Fok's efforts, but it just doesn't feel natural or compelling.

@Fuuma mentioned a long time ago that there are users here who are worth catering to more than others. That this isn't a "flat forum," essentially. If the thumb comment feature is liked by 20 core people, and disliked by lurkers, then let them exist, just because you need to cater to those people. As he said, he'd rather have one SVB than a hundred guys who will come and go.

On the CM side, all the guys who used to start interesting threads have largely gone. Which is why I suspect a lot of guys stick to subscriptions. It's kind of pointless to check the main page.
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On the topic of SF threads and such. I'm relatively new to SF (been a lurker since 2011 or so), but I was a bit surprised by how it worked. The forums I was used to (not fashion related) were different in the sense that new threads were not discouraged at all, and actually there were comparatively just a few "big" threads.

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I'd definitely like to see a more organized process or section for pre-orders / custom projects / group buys and would certainly be willing to help out.

 

This is something I am working towards and will be doing more of in the near future. There are plenty of designers I see doing interesting work (both established and newcomers), but there are difficulties in stocking them (for many of the reasons listed in this thread). These kinds of projects offer good opportunities for exposure to both the designers and consumers so, yeah, it would be great to find a way for them to reach a wider audience.

 

I'll also use this opportunity to say that there is a Suspension Point x Bless Hoodcoat (special edition in black Loden wool) available for pre-order until the end of this week.

 

And finally...now that Suspension Point is an affiliate, one of the things I'm happiest about is that when I see someone write SP on here I can say that the stands for SUSPENSION POINT (can't count the number of times I've seen it and gone...arghhhh use the full name).

post #108847 of 109053
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

I know I'm stoking fires, but ...

I used to browse CM's main page all the time, but rarely do anymore. The problem is that nobody starts interesting threads anymore. It's all super practical advice, like where should I get a wedding suit, or can I wear black shoes with brown suits. Or the latest one: where can I get underwear to make my dick look small (real thread). Then there's the 100 affiliate and appreciation threads, which have even worse discussions.

I get the impression that @LA Guy either pays or encourages certain people to post threads, but all of them feel kind of forced. Like "OK guys, let's gather around and have a discussion." Not to knock the people starting those threads, or discourage Fok's efforts, but it just doesn't feel natural or compelling.

@Fuuma mentioned a long time ago that there are users here who are worth catering to more than others. That this isn't a "flat forum," essentially. If the thumb comment feature is liked by 20 core people, and disliked by lurkers, then let them exist, just because you need to cater to those people. As he said, he'd rather have one SVB than a hundred guys who will come and go.

On the CM side, all the guys who used to start interesting threads have largely gone. Which is why I suspect a lot of guys stick to subscriptions. It's kind of pointless to check the main page.

I don't pay or encourage anyone to post threads, one way or the other.  I do is ask one of the mods to manage the "noob" threads, so that the place is more friendly to noobs, since that is our pipeline to possibly good posters.  The truth is that the demographic of men interested in menswear is much different from what it was in 2002, and that the Venn diagram of those who like to discuss things on forums and those who like menswear is therefore also different.  For example, in 2002, the idea of "sharing" on the internet, of which the appreciation threads are a prime example, just didn't exist.  Internet shopping for clothing was also fairly new, and the tech-fashion companies that exist now simply didn't exist back then.  And there has been a general movement of the internet as a place to teach and learn to a source of entertainment and social sharing and exchange.  (One striking example are the problems that Wikipedia has been having.  It is simply not being able to replenish the edtiors lost through natural attrition, and the "old guard" is in many cases, deliberately shutting out and shutting down the decreasing number of new editors.)  The discussion on the forum reflects changes in the internet and in our world.

 

It's true that some people liked "thumb comments", but the collective number of very active members actually did not like the way the comments worked.  If you read the comments about thumb comments, you'll see that many users, including people like @brad-t and

@sugarbutch disliked the thumb comments.  I would argue that these are also important and valued members.  As an aggregate whole, members, very active, slightly active, etc... disliked the re-implementation of the comments.  We sometimes have "hard choices", but choosing to continue our test of re-introducing thumb comments was not hard.

 

I guess that my point is that your everyone filters their experiences through their own lenses, and that it's important to understand that your POV may not be shared by most other members, nor even those members that you deem to be "important".,  

 

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Originally Posted by MickeyPunch View Post
 

On the topic of SF threads and such. I'm relatively new to SF (been a lurker since 2011 or so), but I was a bit surprised by how it worked. The forums I was used to (not fashion related) were different in the sense that new threads were not discouraged at all, and actually there were comparatively just a few "big" threads.

I don't discourage the making of new threads.  If you want to make a new thread, unless it's commercial in nature, go for it.  This goes for everyone.  

post #108848 of 109053
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Originally Posted by SuspensionPoint View Post
 

I'd definitely like to see a more organized process or section for pre-orders / custom projects / group buys and would certainly be willing to help out.

 

This is something I am working towards and will be doing more of in the near future. There are plenty of designers I see doing interesting work (both established and newcomers), but there are difficulties in stocking them (for many of the reasons listed in this thread). These kinds of projects offer good opportunities for exposure to both the designers and consumers so, yeah, it would be great to find a way for them to reach a wider audience.

 

I'll also use this opportunity to say that there is a Suspension Point x Bless Hoodcoat (special edition in black Loden wool) available for pre-order until the end of this week.

 

And finally...now that Suspension Point is an affiliate, one of the things I'm happiest about is that when I see someone write SP on here I can say that the stands for SUSPENSION POINT (can't count the number of times I've seen it and gone...arghhhh use the full name).

I've been toying with the idea of creating a new subforum under mens style for a while now, for GMTOs, both affiliate vendors and individuals, and of course, for Styleforum itself.

 

Glad to have you guys aboard.

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To use the bar analogy, wouldn't thumb comments be something like... well, it doesn't exist, but little cubbies in a back corner of a room, and the cubbies have doors but they don't lock, and you can leave little notes in them for the owner of the cubby, but if somebody wants to read them they can make the effort to find the cubby, open it, and read the notes?  and the owner will only see them if they too look back, find the cubby, then open the door and read the notes?

post #108850 of 109053
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

On the CM side, all the guys who used to start interesting threads have largely gone. Which is why I suspect a lot of guys stick to subscriptions. It's kind of pointless to check the main page.

So, this is another incorrect assumption.  People tend to stick to subscriptions because they start using subscriptions, and when they hit a critical number of subscriptions, they tend to use them mostly exclusively.  Just say that you are interested in 20 threads in CM and SWD, and these are the more active threads in SWD and CM, and you are subscribed to all of them.  Well, there are 100 threads showing in the combined first page of SWD and CM.  The likelihood of you being interested in many of the remaining 80 threads is relatively low.  So, you look just at that first page, and it's like "meh, not much new here."  And then you stick to your subscriptions.  If you were NOT subscribed to any threads, you'd actually possibly look at fewer threads, but your perception would be that there is more "cool new stuff" even if the truth is that you find just two new things per day, or maybe that those were actually threads you had already looked at a bit already, but had mostly forgotten about.

 

tldr; subscriptions alter a user's perceptions of sampling.

 

Subscriptions are both a positive and negative effect.  The positive is that those members tend to be highly active in those threads, especially if they use email notifications.  However, they also tend to NOT look at other threads.  One of the things that we need to do better is to to create better tools for association ("If you are interested in X, you may also be interested in Y"), and discoverability ("Hey, woah, what is this?  And it's something new and interesting to you?", or "Yo, your friends like W, maybe check it out".) so that you get the best of both worlds.  

post #108851 of 109053
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

The truth is that the demographic of men interested in menswear is much different from what it was in 2002, and that the Venn diagram of those who like to discuss things on forums and those who like menswear is therefore also different.  For example, in 2002, the idea of "sharing" on the internet, of which the appreciation threads are a prime example, just didn't exist.  Internet shopping for clothing was also fairly new, and the tech-fashion companies that exist now simply didn't exist back then.  And there has been a general movement of the internet as a place to teach and learn to a source of entertainment and social sharing and exchange.    

I don't have a problem with people sharing their latest purchases, or people discussing purchases. I mean, fashion is inherently commercial.

It's just that, CM has essentially turned into one gigantic Alden thread.

"Check out my new shoes."
"Very nice nephew."
"Wear in good health!"


It's that repeated over and over.

If it's really a generational difference, then that sucks to hear, cause it means we're stuck with this. FWIW though, I find SWD to have much better discussions, and there are a lots of new members here.
post #108852 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post

Definitely the sort of thing that deserves a subforum-wide announcement rather than just a thread. (Esp if we can gather all our collective forum muscle and negotiate a presale discount!)

I've sort of been thinking of this.  You might be able to negotiate increasing presale discount with volume.  If we deal directly with vendors, no vendor is going to lower their wholesale prices, but I could see a system (and this is something Styleforum could do) in which the first "backers" got the best deal.  I'd have to work out the margins, etc... but this is a viable model for doing some things.  

post #108853 of 109053
I liked thumb comments but got too used to one click thumbs and didn't like having to go through the extra click to leave a thumb if I didn't have a comment. I feel like a hybrid of the two (one click thumbs with the option to leave a comment) would get a much bigger interaction rate in quality and quantity than either.

Also related: typing out suspension point is helluva lot more annoying than simply typing SP. Imagine if we wrote Maison Martin Margiela or Ann Demeulemeester every time we talked about them


I feel like the reason why people here don't like reading a bunch of new threads and instead stick to big ones is that we have a smaller community full of regulars. Understandably we don't like having the same conversation over and over so we get annoyed when people who never had the conversation (mostly new people but also people who don't frequent other parts of the forum) bring up the same subject. Nobody likes talking about the same thing over and over. Even in really big communities like reddit people hate things that have been reposted over and over again. There has to be a part of the conversation that's new to everyone for it to be appealing to everyone.

But it's also hard to generate new content and conversations on a continual basis for a long time. I feel like there's always something to learn but the more you learn, especially about something narrow as men's clothing, the harder it is to find new interesting things to learn and talk about
post #108854 of 109053
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post


I don't have a problem with people sharing their latest purchases, or people discussing purchases. I mean, fashion is inherently commercial.

It's just that, CM has essentially turned into one gigantic Alden thread.

"Check out my new shoes."
"Very nice nephew."
"Wear in good health!"


It's that repeated over and over.

If it's really a generational difference, then that sucks to hear, cause it means we're stuck with this. FWIW though, I find SWD to have much better discussions, and there are a lots of new members here.

It's mostly generational, though possibly not in the way you might have guessed.  The type and style of social media use is quite different between SWD and CM.  CM members tend to be slightly older, and more affluent, and actually use less social media, so a lot of the discussions that members on SWD might have on instagram, etc... are had here, since the members are less likely to use those sharing platforms.  SWD members are more likely to use those, so the discussion here is more longform.  

 

Sorta blew my mind, but there it is.

post #108855 of 109053
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Originally Posted by SuspensionPoint View Post

I'd definitely like to see a more organized process or section for pre-orders / custom projects / group buys and would certainly be willing to help out.

This is something I am working towards and will be doing more of in the near future. There are plenty of designers I see doing interesting work (both established and newcomers), but there are difficulties in stocking them (for many of the reasons listed in this thread). These kinds of projects offer good opportunities for exposure to both the designers and consumers so, yeah, it would be great to find a way for them to reach a wider audience.

I'll also use this opportunity to say that there is a Suspension Point x Bless Hoodcoat (special edition in black Loden wool) available for pre-order until the end of this week.

And finally...now that Suspension Point is an affiliate, one of the things I'm happiest about is that when I see someone write SP on here I can say that the stands for SUSPENSION POINT (can't count the number of times I've seen it and gone...arghhhh use the full name).

I really like the way that Suspension Point does pre-orders - if there's an item I want, I'd much rather reserve it at a fair price (20-25% below retail) than waiting for sale season. This benefits me as a consumer and it also lets me support stores I like rather than playing "OK, who has it in stock for 85% off click click click." And this completely subjective, but I feel more attachment to an item I make a deliberate effort to pre-order rather than something I see in a store on a whim, leading to a lot less junk in my closet. It also presents an opportunity to get something that a store might not pick up, like this black hoodcoat.

I realize that brands might be operating on a different schedule and there are sometimes gaps between samples and production, so I don't know how sustainable this model is, but I'd love to see it carry on in the future. Knowing what brands might be offering pre-orders and the window to place an order well in advance would certainly help plan purchases
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