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post #108091 of 109053
Just re-read the thumbs discussion from last night. Had an idea for a UI tweak:

Have the thumb comment box appear on mouseover rather than mouse click. That way, you can still add a comment-less thumb with one click, but you can also add some text if you want to. Boom. Compromise.
post #108092 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

I don't understand this engagement crap, thumb comments are well-liked by a few, they don't bother anyone else, let's keep them and move on. Should I start invoicing styleforum for my contributions? There is a community aspect where 10 randomguylookingfornewdressshirts aren't worth 1 stanleyvanburen. Maybe they are when it comes time to sell shit but to get a community moving on you need your big contributors and they all like thumb comments.

They seem to bother a lot of people, including guys like Brad. The ccommunity is not just people who agree with you. In 2015, an extra click is a lot. It's really a UX issue, and I've brought this up with development, but comments will remain off until it's fixed. Not ideal, but we do.what we can.
post #108093 of 109053
vitatimh's idea of two buttons 1 for pure thumbs, 1 for thumb comments seemed like it might have potential. I hope you guys explore that one smile.gif
post #108094 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post

Just re-read the thumbs discussion from last night. Had an idea for a UI tweak:

Have the thumb comment box appear on mouseover rather than mouse click. That way, you can still add a comment-less thumb with one click, but you can also add some text if you want to. Boom. Compromise.
Absolutely agreed. But development takes time and resources. I suggested something similar already. There really is not muchore discussion.
post #108095 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post

Just re-read the thumbs discussion from last night. Had an idea for a UI tweak:

Have the thumb comment box appear on mouseover rather than mouse click. That way, you can still add a comment-less thumb with one click, but you can also add some text if you want to. Boom. Compromise.

A mouse is so 1990s. Touch is the future, bro.
post #108096 of 109053
Is there a good reason for no down thumbs? Do we think that we're not mature enough to use those to quickly express disagreement in the same way we use up thumbs?

There's value in bringing more balance and symmetry to the discussion - and sometimes "discussion" means a quick yea or nay, not a full dissertation punctuated by "IMHO" and "YMMV". Other times, discussion entails detailed arguments - but not always. I think we'd all benefit from a less asymmetrical approach to quick feedback.
post #108097 of 109053
why does canada post suck so bad frown.gif

24 hour delivery been out for delivery since yesterday at 9 am with expected arrive date of.....yesterday. meanwhile a 1600 dollar package is not in my mailbox and i don't get to wear my cool pants tonight frown.gif


thumb comments are cool
post #108098 of 109053
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Is there a good reason for no down thumbs? Do we think that we're not mature enough to use those to quickly express disagreement in the same way we use up thumbs?

There's value in bringing more balance and symmetry to the discussion - and sometimes "discussion" means a quick yea or nay, not a full dissertation punctuated by "IMHO" and "YMMV". Other times, discussion entails detailed arguments - but not always. I think we'd all benefit from a less asymmetrical approach to quick feedback.

The absence of thumbs on a post speaks to me as negative thumbs would in many cases, not that it gives much of an indication of intensity of disagreement. (and I'm all for thumb comments if one-click thumbs can happen too)
post #108099 of 109053
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Is there a good reason for no down thumbs? Do we think that we're not mature enough to use those to quickly express disagreement in the same way we use up thumbs?

There's value in bringing more balance and symmetry to the discussion - and sometimes "discussion" means a quick yea or nay, not a full dissertation punctuated by "IMHO" and "YMMV". Other times, discussion entails detailed arguments - but not always. I think we'd all benefit from a less asymmetrical approach to quick feedback.

That would go south real quick.
post #108100 of 109053
I've seen communities both benefit and suffer from negrep. It's nice to be able to downvote patently unhelpful or poisonous comments, but neg rep also sparks a bandwagoning effect where perfectly reasonable posts get shafted just because the first few reps were negative (obviously positive rep causes a bandwagoning effect too, but I'd argue it doesn't skew discussions as much as negrep does).

Plus, I'm less interested in who disagrees with a post than why.
post #108101 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

That would go south real quick.

Numerous case studies of this. Works for her Q&A format platforms, but essentially nothing else.
post #108102 of 109053
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Numerous case studies of this. Works for her Q&A format platforms, but essentially nothing else.

Do you have a link to any of these? Me = curious
post #108103 of 109053
Sounds like you're all arguin that we're too immature to make good use of it as a quick feedback tool. From my own experience on this board, I would say that's not a good assessment. We're a pretty good group of people overall, and certainly everyone (especially new users) would benefit from more symmetry/accuracy in how posts are rated/appreciated by others. Feedback is helpful. Removing hurdles that prevent even feedback isn't. If anything, we're so civil of a community that we tend to shy away from negative feedback - we just practice silence instead. Letting thoughts flow in a manner that makes the user comfortable is a good idea - and clearly we've seen that users are very comfortable with thumbs as a means to provide quick feedback.
post #108104 of 109053
I'm not sure symmetry is really as beneficial as you believe it to be, or even that negrep qualifies as feedback at all.

The only information negrep provides is that a certain number of people disagree with you. This information is helpful if your goal is to blend in to a community's tastes, but as a metric for the reasonability or quality of the post itself, it's very very poor.

So compare that 'benefit' to the skewing affects I've described above, and you can see quickly that negrep isn't really worth it.

Oh, and @LA Guy should totally post those case studies. Still interested.
post #108105 of 109053
But then why thumbs at all if that kind of information is useless? The same reasoning surely applies to thumbs up as a form of feedback?

Thumbs are feedback. That's pretty much all they are. They aren't discussion or conversation. They're immediate yea or nay feedback.

As such, they're a form of discussion of its own, essentially separate from worded discussion. Having an entire subchannel medium that is binary in nature be restricted to one of the two options - yea only - is completely absurd. I understand its comfortable, warm and fuzzy, but it doesn't make it right.
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