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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Trial run showed decisively that use of thumbs dropped off.

Do the thumbs power the servers or something? smile.gif
post #108062 of 109053
Yeah I don't understand why thumb drop off matters

I don't even remember what thumbing was like before comments went away. Was it always a two click procedure?
post #108063 of 109053
I have maybe looked at 2 actual comments. Don't care for them. The thumbs up,is enough.
post #108064 of 109053
Well for content farms like forums -- I'd imagine in terms of advertising revenue and stuff -- any unequivocal downward trends in engagement metrics (which thumbs rate/# of thumbs probably is) is a bad sign that needs to be actioned on.
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favorite khaki field jacket?

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Who are all these guys around you?
post #108068 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Abraxis View Post

Well for content farms like forums -- I'd imagine in terms of advertising revenue and stuff -- any unequivocal downward trends in engagement metrics (which thumbs rate/# of thumbs probably is) is a bad sign that needs to be actioned on.

I'd argue that in this case, it is the engagement metric itself that is becoming a less accurate gauge of engagement. Seeing a downward trend in the indicator of A and instantly assuming that levels of A are falling is jumping the gun, especially when the the indicator itself has fundamentally changed. I don't think anyone's less engaged (in SF's content, at least) because of thumb comments, it's just that thumbs are now biased downwards as a behavioral measure of engagement because there's one additional step in the process and we're lazy bastards.
post #108069 of 109053
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Originally Posted by VitaTimH View Post

I'd argue that in this case, it is the engagement metric itself that is becoming a less accurate gauge of engagement. Seeing a downward trend in the indicator of A and instantly assuming that levels of A are falling is jumping the gun, especially when the the indicator itself has fundamentally changed. I don't think anyone's less engaged (in SF's content, at least) because of thumb comments, it's just that thumbs are now biased downwards as a behavioral measure of engagement because there's one additional step in the process and we're lazy bastards.

Except that thumbing is active engagement, not an indicator. We were interested to see if comments would spur engagement. It had the opposite effect.
post #108070 of 109053
What about the thought that the thumb comments themselves are another perhaps richer form of engagement + data? I'm not sure I believe that myself, but just pondering.
post #108071 of 109053
It's both a form of engagement (in that it's a facet of overall engagement) as well as an indicator of overall engagement (thumbs themselves are not perfectly representative of overall engagement behavior, but are easily quantified). I'd argue that you'd have to see if overall rate of thread views / posts / replies decreased as a result of thumb comments being introduced. Sure, adding an extra step in the thumbs process reduced the overall rate of thumbs engagement, but also caused an increase in a previously unavailable form of engagement (thumb comments), which I'd argue are a much better indicator of active engagement because it's so much more involved than a vote up for a post.

The two forms just happen to be conflated because they use the same mechanism. Maybe a different thing to test would be a one-click thumb button, and a two-click thumb comment button? It'll add to visual clutter but it'll separate the two into two distinct streams of engagement, a quick and easy one and a more involved one.

edit: what Abraxis said basically. Also, I will say that I got quite a bit of useful feedback in thumbs comments that I don't think would have warranted a full post. I personally think an intermediary tier of engagement still has a lot of value.

edit 2: there's also a cut off for viewing thumbs / comments, right? Based on Fok's last comment I'm assuming views are tracked for each individual thumb comment somehow. I'm wondering how the cutoff affect the views.
post #108072 of 109053
Or, maybe everyone just posted crap for a week and none of it deserved thumbs.
post #108073 of 109053
Ooh that's a good idea. Might be too much UI clutter for most, but I also think after a time people will get used to the hassle of the most recent experience and engagement levels would return. People just react poorly to change even when its one they thought they wanted.
post #108074 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Abraxis View Post

What about the thought that the thumb comments themselves are another perhaps richer engagement metric + data?

Absolutely, but that reaches a small demographic, and the majority was clearly negatively impacted. Views of comments/thumbs did nor increase either...
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I've been considering Geller's black denim trucker jacket, but I only wear denim occasionally. Can't decide if I can wear a black denim jacket with my other pants, which are mostly wool and mostly Geller/Schneider/Ervell. Not much work wear or stuff similar in fabric or texture to a denim jacket. But I've irrationally got my heart set on the Geller jacket. I looked at some of Ervell's jackets, but not sure I like the technical fabrics. ToJ MA-1 in suiting wool??
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