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post #106531 of 109053
Its interesting how much "style" varies between cities, Im using tinder in Zurich and cant use any of my normal Stockholm criteria for shallowlingly stereotyping someone as "interesting". People have weird style here..
post #106532 of 109053
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$575 shirt rotflmao.gif

i'll take 3
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Many suppliers have been really slow/late at deliveries this spring. I think it's actually not a bad thing that stores don't rush to show linen shorts when it's blizzard and 10 degrees outside... Dropping earlier and earlier is another ridiculous retail slippery slope

well also weather conditions delayed a lot of things.
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Why would anybody believe an egomaniac multimillionaire with no philanthropic or enriching actions to his name when he vomits up garbage about accessibility in art and fashion, especially when he does nothing to acknowledge the systems in place that make H&M financially accessible?

post #106534 of 109053
I just don't understand how ts(s) shirts can be 2x the cost of Schneider shirts, which are A) made in Europe, B) made of fine materials, C) made with style and fashion in mind. $575 is (I think) top dollar for bespoke shirts, where you get to choose the fabric, buttons, shape, fit, collar type, placket, cuff, etc.
post #106535 of 109053
I posted in the past about the drastically different retail pricing/margin structure in Japan vs US - and the reason why goods end up at higher retail prices in the US.

For ts(s) specifically, Suzuki is very particular about fabric quality. These madras for example are woven in Italy, shipped to Japan (high duties), made in Japan to high standards of make (labor cost), usually washes and treatment on top, then priced to make sense in Japan retail world (40% margin only!), then shipped to the US (transportation & duties) where normal retail margins will be applied (because US customer loves markdowns more than his children) = voila! $575
post #106536 of 109053
Thanks for the info.

Does not really make it an easier pill to swallow. smile.gif
post #106537 of 109053
Nope it doesn't. It's just to explain why the costs are high.

It's a puzzle that's hard to solve for retailers too!
post #106538 of 109053
Well as long as it makes sense business-wise, keep doing what you're doing.

My question was not in reference to your store, BTW, which I think does a very admirable job of keeping pricing fair.
post #106539 of 109053
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He didn't really have any design OR pricing freedom with nike though. Adidas gave him free reign with the design, and he probably figures if his early line is successful he can push for better pricing.

nike knew better

i'm not really surprised at the yeezy pricing. making anything in small quantities—and as big as they want this to be, I don't think adidas will be ordering up uniqlo-sized volumes—is expensive. i do think kanye is a bit of an asshat for all his talk of accessibility though. it's not like he went into the arrangement not knowing what the prices would be like. and if he did then he's even more of an asshat. i think he probably likes to say he's concerned about that but the reality is he doesn't really give a shit. if he did the outcome would have been different.
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Why would anybody believe an egomaniac multimillionaire with no philanthropic or enriching actions to his name when he vomits up garbage about accessibility in art and fashion, especially when he does nothing to acknowledge the systems in place that make H&M financially accessible?

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i'm not really surprised at the yeezy pricing. making anything in small quantities—and as big as they want this to be, I don't think adidas will be ordering up uniqlo-sized volumes—is expensive. i do think kanye is a bit of an asshat for all his talk of accessibility though. it's not like he went into the arrangement not knowing what the prices would be like. and if he did then he's even more of an asshat. i think he probably likes to say he's concerned about that but the reality is he doesn't really give a shit. if he did the outcome would have been different.

"Kanye doesn't care about poor people?"  

 

Anyone who believes that Kanye really gives a fuck about anything more than he does about making Kanye richer and more famous, PM me.  I have a killer lovingly pre-owned vehicle to sell you.

post #106541 of 109053
What I noticed is that things don't really go on sale in Japan and there is lower markup. Retail is what people expect to pay and you can buy right when it hits the stores instead of playing the sale game, which is huge in the US. But when a store in the US imports that stuff there is like a markup, but then you have to just wait until it hits like 30-40 percent off and buy and itll be like the same price as retail in Japan, which is where it sold out at also
post #106542 of 109053
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

I posted in the past about the drastically different retail pricing/margin structure in Japan vs US - and the reason why goods end up at higher retail prices in the US.

For ts(s) specifically, Suzuki is very particular about fabric quality. These madras for example are woven in Italy, shipped to Japan (high duties), made in Japan to high standards of make (labor cost), usually washes and treatment on top, then priced to make sense in Japan retail world (40% margin only!), then shipped to the US (transportation & duties) where normal retail margins will be applied (because US customer loves markdowns more than his children) = voila! $575

I've seen breakdowns like this before; I do understand them and I too want to say that I'm not indicting your store either :)

 

However, the Japanese workwear community provides incredible fabrics at a much lower cost (though yes, the cuts are usually quite different). The Flat Head, for example, produces all of their own textiles on old machines with a very small team, truly incredible 3D stuff, and hand sews all their leather accessories in an even smaller department. The company is, as far as fashion is concerned, very small and yet shirt prices sit around 20,000 yen. Yes, they are pricier at Self Edge and even more so in the EU, but it's nothing compared to Visvim, Kapital, Kolor, TS(S), and so on.

 

I don't strictly wear Japanese repro stuff any longer, but certain pieces still have a place in my expanding wardrobe and I really admire the way those companies provide what they do for the price. Being somewhat disassociated from fashion in the way that they are, Americana fetishists and indigo otaku, seems to allow them to keep prices lower (Kiya or Gordon could expand on this better than I). Even if it's not your style, I encourage everyone to stop inside Blue in Green or Self Edge and see this stuff in person; it's truly impressive.

 

My personal dream would be to see the workwear-influenced brands like those I mentioned above, Engineered Garments, Post O'alls, etc, step their shirting game up to the level of the repro brands. Outwear and pants I find are generally around the same level.

post #106543 of 109053
i think what Raf Simons is doing at Dior is probably the best work of his career, which is really saying something

i think Damir Doma has been one of the most spectacular collapses in recent fashion history and I think he will soon be creative director at Ann Taylor
post #106544 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Dbear View Post

What I noticed is that things don't really go on sale in Japan and there is lower markup. Retail is what people expect to pay and you can buy right when it hits the stores instead of playing the sale game, which is huge in the US. But when a store in the US imports that stuff there is like a markup, but then you have to just wait until it hits like 30-40 percent off and buy and itll be like the same price as retail in Japan, which is where it sold out at also

Another thing is that retail price is uniform in Japan.  Vendors sell the goods to the stores with the MSRP set, which everyone follows - you can look around at different Japanese retailers and see that.  The decreases the price wars that often happen in the US market, and with the markdown system and the ease of comparison shopping, can become toxic.

 

This system is not perfect, of course, and the same thing that lends security can result in a decrease in innovation and competition.  For example, if I figure out a new way to retail things, and somehow increase the margins, I have no way of passing some of that along to customers, which is the easiest way to increase my market share.  So there is less incentive to innovate and harder to get an advantage from that innovation.

post #106545 of 109053
Another thing is that the USD is absolutely crushing the yen right, I'm thinking its close to +50% purchasing power since like a year ago.

My question is...are retailers passing this onto the customers or keeping things more even to make up for when the yen was crushing the dollar Hmmmmmmm?
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