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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

Where is Rosenrot? I was under the impression that she joined StyleForvm and was ready to start contributing.

worried that she will me Moo-ed
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got it yeah sorry diework I didn't see your post or the other responses until I clicked send :-)

 

btw I like a lot of the images you chose for your article. if we're just talking about formal minimalism that's approachable ("warm"), Margaret Howell is a great example. I'm not sure if the general menswear population will adopt the loose fit, but you may be right and GQ will probably say stop mixing your checks and go "all solids" and get some roomy pants! -- maybe they already have.

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Drawing analogy between fashion and art is awkward but even so, a lot of fashion minimalism is simply abstraction, as in attention to shapes, forms, and color. I think something like MH FW14 is much closer to Rothko/Newman than minimalism, the colors were muted but had a lot of energy and depth when paired together. Another example is Schneider's frozen waves fabric or whenever he puts hints of blue/night within black, again, the art equivalent would certainly be abstract expressionism. Basically if you don't feel scared and lonely wearing or looking at it, then it's probably not minimalism.

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PPP and dieworkwear are a joy to read
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Not sure I understand your question then. Do you mean what's the difference between Dimant's definition of Minimalism and clothes that are just minimal? I think Rosenrot outlined it in her post, which is why Dimant would prob call the Our Legacy stuff Post MInimalism.

yeah, i guess that makes sense. the term Post Minimalism is a little unsatisfying because it's just Minimalism-lite. not so much advancing as watering down. just doesn't seem very much like Minimalism to me, i think specifically because it's not challenging. (aka avant bland - http://www.gq.com/style/blogs/the-gq-eye/2014/08/is-avant-bland-actually-something-new-for-fashion.html)
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

Rosenrot pretty much summed it up in her last paragraph:

basics like Our Legacy or whatever other plain jane scandinavian sportswear brand (COS, Tres Bien), have none of the underlying tenets of Minimalism (with capital M) -- well maybe the "accessible" part. to me they are just simple, plain albeit thoughtfully-designed clothes. re: the 90s wave of US minimalism, Helmut Lang was far better at going beyond pure basics than Calvin Klein, DKNY, et al.

Normcore is a completely different idea. it's about wearing stuff your Aunt in Wisconsin wears (Nike windbreaker, LL Bean flannel) but in Williamsburg or Austin.

yeah, agree with this. a covered placket doesn't necessarily equal Minimalism. i think normcore does get labeled Minimalist a bit just because it's stripped down. but i'm with you--it really has nothing to do with Minimalism. unless you take it from the conceptual point of view of normcore being a stripping away of personality until the garments have been reduced to their seinfeldian underpinnings

incidentally: ""This house is not the house of normcore and I am done with minimalism," A.P.C.'s Jean Touitou declared at the house's spring 2015 menswear presentation. http://fashionista.com/2014/07/max-out-minimalism
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Seems like Minimalism and simplicity are being used interchangeably here. "Basics" aren't necessarily Minimal.  The "accessible essence" (further emphasis on the essence) is probably the key tenet of capital-M Minimalism, otherwise you wouldn't be able to consider Helmut, Raf et al Minimalists. If you look at Helmut's work (say his lauded FW99 & 03 collections), there's a lot of ornamentation, but the motifs he's referencing have been stripped to their bare essentials so as to make them wearable without being cosplay. 
 
And normcore is the participation prize of fashion.
post #104377 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

Where is Rosenrot? I was under the impression that she joined StyleForvm and was ready to start contributing.

She probably took advantage of the new Styleforum feature the "reverse-block" where if you "reverse-block" someone they can't see any of the content you create or when people quote you in replies.
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yeah, i guess that makes sense. the term Post Minimalism is a little unsatisfying because it's just Minimalism-lite. not so much advancing as watering down. just doesn't seem very much like Minimalism to me, i think specifically because it's not challenging. (aka avant bland - http://www.gq.com/style/blogs/the-gq-eye/2014/08/is-avant-bland-actually-something-new-for-fashion.html)

I suppose if you define minimalism as challenging certain ideas, then yea -- "post-minimalism" is "watered down" and not strictly capital-M minimalism. However, if you don't define it as that, but rather take a more flexible or broader view, then I think other things open up which makes the story of minimalism more interesting (even if the pieces in the other subgenres aren't necessarily as interesting). YSL's work in the '60s and '70s, Armani in the '80s, and the Mod Era can then be called minimalist, and you can see how designs evolve through a certain lineage, leading up to the more interesting pieces that you seem to be into.

In some ways, I think of minimalism in fashion as sort of connected with the ideas of modernism in art, architecture, and interior design. Parker prob knows better than me, since he's a graphic designer and seemingly better versed in art history, but I think of that as a general aesthetic, rather than some mission to challenge norms. What came out of small-m minimalism is all that more challenging stuff you talk about, but I don't know if I would limit the field to just that.
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i was referring to this quote when talking about Minimalism as challenging, by the way
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Ultimately Minimalism, regardless of its iterations, “seeks to challenge perception of space and matter, ensure purity of design, and to reduce form to its cogent, accessible essence.”

Post-Minimalism is like the last two tenets without the first. So I can see how that's still some sort of Minimalism.
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Originally Posted by Ken P View Post

Missoni "scarf-shirt".... paging @RegisDB9


Man I love the shit out of this. Does it some in Blue, Cream/White and or any solid color?
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random fashion thought: all i want to wear is a leather, shirt (t or button down), jeans, and cool boots everyday except for days when i'm wearing a cool eg jacket, patterned shirt, unis chinos, and boots. two uniforms and i'm set.
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Originally Posted by pickpackpockpuck View Post

i was referring to this quote when talking about Minimalism as challenging, by the way

"Ultimately Minimalism, regardless of its iterations, “seeks to challenge perception of space and matter, ensure purity of design, and to reduce form to its cogent, accessible essence.”

Post-Minimalism is like the last two tenets without the first. So I can see how that's still some sort of Minimalism.

The second and third parts of that definition seem somewhat the same to me. Don't know why the first part is necessary. If you include it, the story of minimalism becomes much smaller in scope, and you lose a lot of interesting history.

That said, Rosenrot's post is infinitely smarter than mine, so I should prop pipe down.
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New banner should be cut off half face. Anonymousness is cooler.

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New banner should be cut off half face. Anonymousness is cooler.

Make it anonymous and ambiguous.


Edited by dieworkwear - 1/19/15 at 7:06pm
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where is MoK these days anyway? Feel like I haven't seen him post in a while

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