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post #1 of 40
Thread Starter 
Was just looking at a couple of C&J's on the 337 last in a store and I was wondering "why are they displaying huge sizes ? They normally put normal sizes on display" ... I checked the size of the shoe and it was a very standard 8E

So here's my question: am I wrong, or do C&J's on the 337 last look very long compared to other shoes ? Not that it would be so bad though ...
post #2 of 40
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Originally Posted by Tibo
Was just looking at a couple of C&J's on the 337 last in a store and I was wondering "why are they displaying huge sizes ? They normally put normal sizes on display" ... I checked the size of the shoe and it was a very standard 8E

So here's my question: am I wrong, or do C&J's on the 337 last look very long compared to other shoes ? Not that it would be so bad though ...


Probably a half-inch longer than a "regular" shoe. Part of what makes it look cool.
post #3 of 40
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Originally Posted by Mr. Checks
Probably a half-inch longer than a "regular" shoe. Part of what makes it look cool.

thanks ... I had never thought the difference would be so remarkable, but again, it doesn't sound bad at all ...
post #4 of 40
Shyam Doshi at PLal suggests dropping down a half-size when going to a shoe on the 337 last (most of the Handgrades). There will be some empty space (too narrow for the toes) in the front end of the toe area as the shoe tapers.
post #5 of 40
I'll go down AT LEAST one full size down. So if you are 10US on avg, then get 9UK 337 Last.
post #6 of 40
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Originally Posted by MilanoStyle
I'll go down AT LEAST one full size down. So if you are 10US on avg, then get 9UK 337 Last.

So that would mean that if you have a 8UK with other brands, you'd have a 7,5UK for a 337 Last ?
post #7 of 40
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Originally Posted by Tibo
So that would mean that if you have a 8UK with other brands, you'd have a 7,5UK for a 337 Last ?

In short, Yes.
post #8 of 40
Tibo, just wanted to let you know that Shyam sent me a pair of C&J Chelseas a few weeks ago and there was no VAT charge. Feel free to orderwith abandon!
post #9 of 40
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Originally Posted by medtech_expat
Tibo, just wanted to let you know that Shyam sent me a pair of C&J Chelseas a few weeks ago and there was no VAT charge. Feel free to orderwith abandon!

I'd love to see a picture of those Chelseas - can you post some?
post #10 of 40
I had some time to kill in NYC last Friday - so I decided to go to T&A and ended up wandering up to the C&J store. Decided to buy my first pair of C&Js. I would have bought the handgrades - but I just couldn't take the last - it was just "too much" chissel for me.

Ended up buying a pair of Westfields in a 9.5EUK (I wear a 10DUS).

Asked the manager about recomended wax / polish and she recomended Kiwi Wax Polish (I don't live in NYC - so I dont have immediate access to the C&J brand) and commented that Meltonian Shoe Cream is harsh on the leather. I have been using Meltonion for a number of years now on a cellection of AEs Aldens and one PS/Grenson. Have I ruined them?

She also said that I didn't need to apply a light coat of polish before the initial wearing as I have been taught to do.

What do you think about this?
post #11 of 40
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Originally Posted by rajesh06
I had some time to kill in NYC last Friday - so I decided to go to T&A and ended up wandering up to the C&J store. Decided to buy my first pair of C&Js. I would have bought the handgrades - but I just couldn't take the last - it was just "too much" chissel for me.

Ended up buying a pair of Westfields in a 9.5EUK (I wear a 10DUS).

Asked the manager about recomended wax / polish and she recomended Kiwi Wax Polish (I don't live in NYC - so I dont have immediate access to the C&J brand) and commented that Meltonian Shoe Cream is harsh on the leather. I have been using Meltonion for a number of years now on a cellection of AEs Aldens and one PS/Grenson. Have I ruined them?

She also said that I didn't need to apply a light coat of polish before the initial wearing as I have been taught to do.

What do you think about this?
I doubt shoe cream will ruin them. Many people have reported using it for many years with no known problems.

I do not agree that you don't need to apply some polish. (Okay, you probably won't die from not polishing them, but...) You don't know how long it's been (if ever) since someone did a good polish job on the shoes. I would feel dumb if I got a nasty spot right on the upper of a brand new shoe because I failed to polish it. I also try to waterproof the sole under the arch somewhat with polish or heel/edge dressing, to avoid ugly water spots there as well.
post #12 of 40
I went down 1/2 size *in my US size* when I bought a 337-last shoe from Ralph Lauren. When I order in UK sizing, I'll go down another 1/2 size.
post #13 of 40
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Originally Posted by rajesh06
Asked the manager about recomended wax / polish and she recomended Kiwi Wax Polish (I don't live in NYC - so I dont have immediate access to the C&J brand) and commented that Meltonian Shoe Cream is harsh on the leather. I have been using Meltonion for a number of years now on a cellection of AEs Aldens and one PS/Grenson. Have I ruined them?

She also said that I didn't need to apply a light coat of polish before the initial wearing as I have been taught to do.

What do you think about this?

Good grief, where on Earth do these salespeople come from? Your own intuition is correct: shoe creams DO NOT damage leather. She may have gotten confused by the myth that waxes are harmful because of their solvents (which is also untrue). These shoemakers themselves use these creams and waxes.

And yes, j is right: give them a coat before going out. It is important to go over it with shoe cream first, as the finish may be dried out, and cream replenishes the finish. Wax would be fine, too, but only after cream.
post #14 of 40
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Originally Posted by Teacher
Good grief, where on Earth do these salespeople come from? ... She may have gotten confused by the myth that waxes are harmful because of their solvents (which is also untrue).

And yes, j is right: give them a coat before going out. It is important to go over it with shoe cream first, as the finish may be dried out, and cream replenishes the finish. Wax would be fine, too, but only after cream.

To clarify - she was the C&J manager (at least that is what her card says) and she recomended a "wax polish."

What do you all think about the $100 waxed shoe tree are they worth it? or should I stick with the woodlore (I think thats the brand) that they sell at Nordstroms?
post #15 of 40
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Originally Posted by j
I do not agree that you don't need to apply some polish. (Okay, you probably won't die from not polishing them, but...) You don't know how long it's been (if ever) since someone did a good polish job on the shoes. I would feel dumb if I got a nasty spot right on the upper of a brand new shoe because I failed to polish it. I also try to waterproof the sole under the arch somewhat with polish or heel/edge dressing, to avoid ugly water spots there as well.

Well in fairness - she said they come "highly polished." I can't dispute that based on appearance. That said - I think I will follow the advice of the SF and apply cream.
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