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post #8761 of 12509

I know Rezső  is the only person who can answer the question. but I have not get the answer after several email exchange. I will keep asking him, but I'd like to know your experience.

it is about choosing who pays the transfer charges when making an international wire transfer.

 

BEN, SHA, OUR are codes in a SWIFT instruction

The OUR instruction means you pay all transfer charges. We receive all your payment.

SHA (shared) means you only pay your bank's outgoing transfer charge. We receive your payment minus the correspondent (intermediary) bank charges.

BEN (beneficiary) means you do not pay any charge. We receive your payment minus all transfer charges.

 

 

Rezső said I need bear all costs of bank transfer, so it seems like I need choose "OUR", but I have checked my banks, one can use "BEN" and "SHA", the other two can only use "SHA", so it seems that I cannot choose "OUR" option which I pay all costs.

 

how do you guys do? do you all use "OUR' to make the international wire transfer? if "SHA" is the only option, how much extra money do I need to pay so it can cover the charges?

post #8762 of 12509
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Originally Posted by prettywish View Post

I know Rezső  is the only person who can answer the question. but I have not get the answer after several email exchange. I will keep asking him, but I'd like to know your experience.
it is about choosing who pays the transfer charges when making an international wire transfer.

BEN, SHA, OUR are codes in a SWIFT instruction
The OUR instruction means you pay all transfer charges. We receive all your payment.
SHA (shared) means you only pay your bank's outgoing transfer charge. We receive your payment minus the correspondent (intermediary) bank charges.
BEN (beneficiary) means you do not pay any charge. We receive your payment minus all transfer charges.


Rezső said I need bear all costs of bank transfer, so it seems like I need choose "OUR", but I have checked my banks, one can use "BEN" and "SHA", the other two can only use "SHA", so it seems that I cannot choose "OUR" option which I pay all costs.

how do you guys do? do you all use "OUR' to make the international wire transfer? if "SHA" is the only option, how much extra money do I need to pay so it can cover the charges?

that very much seems like a question for your bank, not Vass/Rezso

however, for my bank also, the only fee option is Shared. thats probably because they cannot predict how much the receiving bank charges its customers to receive wires.
it's an external issue, should be nominal, and i dont *think* you should have to worry about it.
[edit: i shuffle money between my cross-border accounts frequently. the receiving account never docks a charge from the transferred amount]

whats important is that you choose to wire out in the requested currency (HUF), so that the FX rate and fees are absorbed on your end, not on Vass'
post #8763 of 12509
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Originally Posted by prettywish View Post
 

I know Rezső  is the only person who can answer the question. but I have not get the answer after several email exchange. I will keep asking him, but I'd like to know your experience.

it is about choosing who pays the transfer charges when making an international wire transfer.

 

BEN, SHA, OUR are codes in a SWIFT instruction

The OUR instruction means you pay all transfer charges. We receive all your payment.

SHA (shared) means you only pay your bank's outgoing transfer charge. We receive your payment minus the correspondent (intermediary) bank charges.

BEN (beneficiary) means you do not pay any charge. We receive your payment minus all transfer charges.

 

 

Rezső said I need bear all costs of bank transfer, so it seems like I need choose "OUR", but I have checked my banks, one can use "BEN" and "SHA", the other two can only use "SHA", so it seems that I cannot choose "OUR" option which I pay all costs.

 

how do you guys do? do you all use "OUR' to make the international wire transfer? if "SHA" is the only option, how much extra money do I need to pay so it can cover the charges?


My bank's online transfer allows me to tick box of paying all cost from payer's account so that recipient can get the stated amount in full.  Better check with your bank, there should be an option doing so.   I also think Mr. Kuti should be able to tell how much their local bank is charging on receipt of the money.  

post #8764 of 12509
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I have two Old English 2, 38.5 F (normal width) which I am wearing two thin leather insock (by Vass). (two in each shoe).  This should be roughly translated into 0.5 size difference.  So after those,  I bougtht 38E (narrow last), not OE2 but oxford style shoe again.   Length is OK but not snag.

 

Having said that, all of those are really comfortable to wear.  Heel and insteps are holding well and their sole and upper are quite soft so added insocks do not bother me at all.
 

It could be just me and I have a narrow foot. 

 

I would think that we have about the same size, what UK size do you usually wear? I'm for example UK5 in Loake Capital-last, Crockett & Jones 348 and 236, i think my feet measure about 24,5 cm. Do you have any Vass in U-last, if, what EU size do you wear?


Hi. RIght.  We are about the same size.  I wear UK 5.5. EG and GG.  I do not have CJ because 5.5 is the smallest one I could try locally and I think I need 5.  I do no own U last now, but I plan to purchase size 38. I hope this helps.

post #8765 of 12509

Greetings all, I found the post below from another thread quite surprising:

 

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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

Making mediocre handwelted shoes isn't that expensive at all. See: Vass.

 

This has to be the first time that I have heard Vass shoes described as "mediocre" - which certainly doesn't accord with my own perception of the brand and experience with the product.  Outside of the bespoke context, is this a remotely fair characterization?

 

I may appear to be asking for a chorus from the choir, but I'm not particularly wedded to Vass or any other single brand - my rotation contains several different brands - I'm just trying to understand if there is a rational basis for describing Vass shoes as "mediocre" or is it just hating, or somewhere in between?

post #8766 of 12509

I'm sure chogall can shed some more light on his comment, but Vass finishing does leave a lot to be desired from what I understand?

post #8767 of 12509
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I'm sure chogall can shed some more light on his comment, but Vass finishing does leave a lot to be desired from what I understand?

 

Hi Joiji - what is it that you understand to be lacking about Vass finishing, specifically?

post #8768 of 12509
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I'm sure chogall can shed some more light on his comment, but Vass finishing does leave a lot to be desired from what I understand?

+1. Lots of variability in quality of finish from shoe to shoe. I've had several pair that were just awful. Another problem is the variability in fit from pair to pair, same size, same last.

I'm not going to join in on the gemming vs. non-gemming fray, but with respect to RTW, I find EGs to have far superior consistency in fit and finish. Yes they are more expensive, but the price difference is getting smaller and smaller.
post #8769 of 12509
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+1. Lots of variability in quality of finish from shoe to shoe. I've had several pair that were just awful. Another problem is the variability in fit from pair to pair, same size, same last.

I'm not going to join in on the gemming vs. non-gemming fray, but with respect to RTW, I find EGs to have far superior consistency in fit and finish. Yes they are more expensive, but the price difference is getting smaller and smaller.

 

Again, what was your specific complaint with finishing?

 

I have 5 pairs - all size 43, standard width. One double monk and 4 oxfords. 2 F last, 2 U Last and one K last.  Allowing for differences in last (which impact almost exclusively in the toe box) all fit more or less the same and very well indeed.  A small sample, to be sure, but extremely consistent sizing.  It's one of the elements that keeps me coming back to Vass - I know the shoes that I order in my size will fit.

 

I have two pairs of Edward Green.  I think they are bloody terrific.  But I can't for the life of me see how they are superior in finish in any way (much less far superior), unless one considers a burnished toe to be inherently superior, as opposed to a matter of personal preference.  Price difference is pretty substantial, retail to retail.

post #8770 of 12509
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Originally Posted by joiji View Post
 

I'm sure chogall can shed some more light on his comment, but Vass finishing does leave a lot to be desired from what I understand?

 

Hi Joiji - what is it that you understand to be lacking about Vass finishing, specifically?

 

 

I've had my own experiences with Vass shoes' finishing, things like pinking not laying flat, small lasting defects, and awl divots (not cuts or scratches, just depressed leather) from where the sole is stitched on, but it honestly doesn't bother me because they can all be removed with care, or have no impact on the comfort of the shoes. In exchange, I get a shoe which has lasts which fit my feet well, decent quality leather, MTO options, hand welting, priced not much more than Carmina, or even Loake (if you're buying retail in Australia). 

 

In essence, I'm willing to make the concession in finishing/refinement due to the MTO options and the price which Vass offers, I'm aware they aren't the gold standard, but I'm extremely pleased with what they offer for the price in comparison to the other options available to me.

post #8771 of 12509
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Again, what was your specific complaint with finishing?

I have 5 pairs - all size 43, standard width. One double monk and 4 oxfords. 2 F last, 2 U Last and one K last.  Allowing for differences in last (which impact almost exclusively in the toe box) all fit more or less the same and very well indeed.  A small sample, to be sure, but extremely consistent sizing.  It's one of the elements that keeps me coming back to Vass - I know the shoes that I order in my size will fit.

I have two pairs of Edward Green.  I think they are bloody terrific.  But I can't for the life of me see how they are superior in finish in any way (much less far superior), unless one considers a burnished toe to be inherently superior, as opposed to a matter of personal preference.  Price difference is pretty substantial, retail to retail.

Nope. burnishing has nothing to do with it. Also, I would not call a ~30% increase in price between EG and Vass "pretty substantial".

Of the 9 pair of Vass I've owned (all but 2 now sold) 4 had issues with finish. This includes misapplied dye on the toes and elsewhere, edge dressing applied on the forefoot, poor stitching, and in one case, poor quality leather (nothing to do with creasing). I would say 4 additional pair had issues with fit (historically well known to Vass buyers, but maybe they have fixed this). All on the P2, with variability between half a size to, no joke, almost 1.5 sizes.

I've probably owned 60-70 pair of EG and have had very minor issues with maybe 2 pair. All of which were fixed right away. Again, with reference to the "gemming issue" my gemmed EGs consistently have better finishing than my bespoke shoes.
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Originally Posted by joiji View Post
 

 

I've had my own experiences with Vass shoes' finishing, things like pinking not laying flat, small lasting defects, and awl divots (not cuts or scratches, just depressed leather) from where the sole is stitched on, but it honestly doesn't bother me because they can all be removed with care, or have no impact on the comfort of the shoes. In exchange, I get a shoe which has lasts which fit my feet well, decent quality leather, MTO options, hand welting, priced not much more than Carmina, or even Loake (if you're buying retail in Australia).

 

In essence, I'm willing to make the concession in finishing/refinement due to the MTO options and the price which Vass offers, I'm aware they aren't the gold standard, but I'm extremely pleased with what they offer for the price in comparison to the other options available to me.

 

Thanks for explaining joiji.

 

I likewise wouldn't say Vass is the RTW gold standard - I'd make a strong case for St. Crispin's for that title - but the price difference between the two can approach triple.  And while there is inherently a strong subjective element in the term, I have an even harder time describing Vass shoes as "mediocre" within the RTW context.

post #8773 of 12509
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I have an even harder time describing Vass shoes as "mediocre" within the RTW context.

I do have to agree with this- "Medicore" is a bit much. In the end 99.99999% of people would have no issues with the problems we are describing.
post #8774 of 12509
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Originally Posted by jerrybrowne View Post


Nope. burnishing has nothing to do with it. Also, I would not call a ~30% increase in price between EG and Vass "pretty substantial".

Of the 9 pair of Vass I've owned (all but 2 now sold) 4 had issues with finish. This includes misapplied dye on the toes and elsewhere, edge dressing applied on the forefoot, poor stitching, and in one case, poor quality leather (nothing to do with creasing). I would say 4 additional pair had issues with fit (historically well known to Vass buyers, but maybe they have fixed this). All on the P2, with variability between half a size to, no joke, almost 1.5 sizes.

I've probably owned 60-70 pair of EG and have had very minor issues with maybe 2 pair. All of which were fixed right away. Again, with reference to the "gemming issue" my gemmed EGs consistently have better finishing than my bespoke shoes.

 

Thanks for your response. EG shoes retail locally for CDN$ 1200 to $1500 before tax.  That approaches double what I have paid for most of my Vass shoes - and those are all from re-sellers, not directly from Vass.  I do consider that to be pretty substantial.

 

I would also consider 30% to be a substantial difference in price for shoes of comparable quality.  Fortunately, all of my EG purchases have been made when they have been offered on sale, so the price difference has been less.  And while I don't hold any gemming hate, many do place significant qualitative value on hand-welting.

 

Sorry about your experience with Vass - it could not be more different from my own. How long ago was your most recent Vass purchase?

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EG shoes retail locally for CDN$ 1200 to $1500 before tax.  That approaches double what I have paid for most of my Vass shoes - and those are all from re-sellers, not directly from Vass.  I do consider that to be pretty substantial.

I would also consider 30% to be a substantial difference in price for shoes of comparable quality.  Fortunately, all of my EG purchases have been made when they have been offered on sale, so the price difference has been less.  And while I don't hold any gemming hate, many do place significant qualitative value on hand-welting.

Sorry about your experience with Vass - it could not be more different from my own. How long ago was your most recent Vass purchase?

Probably 2 years ago. Look, I don't want to crap on Vass, especially in a Vass thread. In the end they're decent quality shoes for the money and fill a special niche in the market- hand welted shoes at a good price.
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