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post #3946 of 12515
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Originally Posted by rikod View Post

They do what they want, period. Live with it or order thru a proxy that takes responsibility for the details.
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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post

Totally fine to return them. One should just be sure the wording is nice and gentle when explaining the situation to them...... I'm sure it was just internal miscommunication.


This is not Vass-specific (with whom I have very little experience) but applies to a number of craftsmen or firms in various parts of the world.

In theory, in these days of instant communication every special order ought to be accompanied by a conformation of what was discussed and what was agreed. If the order is taken face to face, the craftsman is taken down the agreed specifications and the client should be given a copy, which can be either a computer print-out or a photocopy of the order sheet. Not forgetting the approximate completion date which also should be given in writing. If the order was given by e-mail, it might take several mails back and forth until all the details are clarified. Nevertheless once everything is clear, the conformation with all the specifications should be forthcoming. This “contract” should be binding to both parties, unless at a later date some alterations or changes have been mutually agreed.

Unfortunately there are quite a few firms who for whatever reason (be it sloppiness or arrogance) come up with goods that are different from what was agreed. It wouldn’t be the first time that a customer on Savile Row who had ordered hacking pockets, was presented with straight ones (or vice versa). In these cases of miscommunication with nothing in writing (apart from the firm’s squiggles) it is very difficult to establish where the boo-boo has occurred.

If the firm is not forthcoming with a confirmation of the agreed details, send them you own list of the agreed specifications by e-mail. If, for one reason or another, the finished product deviates from these specifications, you have a much stronger base to argue your case from. You can still accept the product as is, but at least you can negotiate a discount.

I do not agree with the “don’t rock the boat” attitude that has been expressed here. If the company has made a mistake, they will have to rectify it (one way or the other). If you let them get away with it, they will never tighten their house-internal quality control.
post #3947 of 12515
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Originally Posted by bengal-stripe View Post

This is not Vass-specific (with whom I have very little experience) but applies to a number of craftsmen or firms in various parts of the world.
In theory, in these days of instant communication every special order ought to be accompanied by a conformation of what was discussed and what was agreed. If the order is taken face to face, the craftsman is taken down the agreed specifications and the client should be given a copy, which can be either a computer print-out or a photocopy of the order sheet. Not forgetting the approximate completion date which also should be given in writing. If the order was given by e-mail, it might take several mails back and forth until all the details are clarified. Nevertheless once everything is clear, the conformation with all the specifications should be forthcoming. This “contract” should be binding to both parties, unless at a later date some alterations or changes have been mutually agreed.
Unfortunately there are quite a few firms who for whatever reason (be it sloppiness or arrogance) come up with goods that are different from what was agreed. It wouldn’t be the first time that a customer on Savile Row who had ordered hacking pockets, was presented with straight ones (or vice versa). In these cases of miscommunication with nothing in writing (apart from the firm’s squiggles) it is very difficult to establish where the boo-boo has occurred.
If the firm is not forthcoming with a confirmation of the agreed details, send them you own list of the agreed specifications by e-mail. If, for one reason or another, the finished product deviates from these specifications, you have a much stronger base to argue your case from. You can still accept the product as is, but at least you can negotiate a discount.
I do not agree with the “don’t rock the boat” attitude that has been expressed here. If the company has made a mistake, they will have to rectify it (one way or the other). If you let them get away with it, they will never tighten their house-internal quality control.

Very interesting and I agree completely. I Vass case this is what I normally do " dear xxx, I received the shoes, they are great as always and fit well, however i ordered natural edge soles and came painted so I'm very dissapointed", they always offer an exchange or to fix the problem, or a discount, so they respond very well to the situation with courtesy, they are extremely polite and have even called me (to the US) to apologize. what I never do is fight or sent nasty letters, I just don't feel that's the best way, I really like them.

I don't know, sometimes it seems like if the craftsman does not like something he doesn't want to do it smile.gif , I once ordered a nice grain bordeaux pair with a double sole and came back with double to single, I complained and got a discount, but know I wouldn't change it back to double, I love them now. In any case, I'm always happy except variation in sizes and that doesn't happen anymore as they have my measures. Always good to have confirmation emails but not to ask for too many details or changes.
post #3948 of 12515
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Originally Posted by thecentennial View Post

Very good NAMOR - so can I expect my whiskey's to turn into ravello? I could stick them on a sun bed to expedite the darkening..

The sun only lightens I think. Just wear your shoes, and brush with the same brush you use for darker shell. After time the oils will darken your whiskey. Honestly, you got the best color man. I envy you. Gimme my precious. Lol
post #3949 of 12515
Laszlo Vass bespoke Budapester in cognac boxcalf leather

279
post #3950 of 12515
Vass norweger: should i go with whiskey or antique cognac? thinking of getting it on the F last, similar to slickmans
post #3951 of 12515
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Originally Posted by Kai View Post

Laszlo Vass bespoke Budapester in cognac boxcalf leather

Those are awesome. Is that color dark cognac or antique cognac?
post #3952 of 12515
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

Vass norweger: should i go with whiskey or antique cognac? thinking of getting it on the F last, similar to slickmans

I'd lean towards Whiskey and on the New Peter last. It really depends on which last fits you better though.
post #3953 of 12515
this will be my first pair of VASS so im actually unsure of how to size

Im a TTS 12D

UK11.5 in EG
UK11.5 in G&G
UK11 in C&J 337
UK10.5 in C&J 348
UK11 in C&J 341
UK11 in Carmina
UK11 in JL 8695
UK11.5 in JL 8000
UK11 in JL 7000

Which size should I get in the New Peter last? Also, F? do the italian lasts fit similarly?
post #3954 of 12515
^ most likely 44.5 in both imo
post #3955 of 12515
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

this will be my first pair of VASS so im actually unsure of how to size
Im a TTS 12D
UK11.5 in EG
UK11.5 in G&G
UK11 in C&J 337
UK10.5 in C&J 348
UK11 in C&J 341
UK11 in Carmina
UK11 in JL 8695
UK11.5 in JL 8000
UK11 in JL 7000
Which size should I get in the New Peter last? Also, F? do the italian lasts fit similarly?

 



I've got basically the same list of sizes as you, and I ordered a pair on the U-last in 45.5, that ended up being about a half-size too small, but that's mostly because I have relatively wide feet. I'm unsure how exactly that translates to the New Peter or the F lasts, but I doubt getting anything smaller than 45 would be wise.

post #3956 of 12515
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Originally Posted by Henkie View Post




I've got basically the same list of sizes as you, and I ordered a pair on the U-last in 45.5, that ended up being about a half-size too small, but that's mostly because I have relatively wide feet. I'm unsure how exactly that translates to the New Peter or the F lasts, but I doubt getting anything smaller than 45 would be wise.

i hope you haven't been surprised. i agree with the 45 assessment for the colleague.
post #3957 of 12515
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

this will be my first pair of VASS so im actually unsure of how to size
Im a TTS 12D
UK11.5 in EG
UK11.5 in G&G
UK11 in C&J 337
UK10.5 in C&J 348
UK11 in C&J 341
UK11 in Carmina
UK11 in JL 8695
UK11.5 in JL 8000
UK11 in JL 7000
Which size should I get in the New Peter last? Also, F? do the italian lasts fit similarly?

If you really wear UK11.5 in JL8000 and in EG's sleeker lasts, you're a 46 in U last and a 45.5 in F. Not sure about New Peter.

Also, I would be quite concerned about the Italian lasts in that kind of size - they don't look the best in the larger sizes IMO
post #3958 of 12515
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Also, I would be quite concerned about the Italian lasts in that kind of size - they don't look the best in the larger sizes IMO

I agree. I'm a 44 in U last and a 43.5 in F last and I wouldn't want them any bigger.

If you're feet are on the wider side I'd lean towards a 45. If on the narrow side a 44.5 might do it especially with shell which can sometimes run big.
post #3959 of 12515
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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post

I agree. I'm a 44 in U last and a 43.5 in F last and I wouldn't want them any bigger.
If you're feet are on the wider side I'd lean towards a 45. If on the narrow side a 44.5 might do it especially with shell which can sometimes run big.

this is correct, if your feet are wide + high instep could be a 45, but I can almost guarantee anything bigger than that will be big, except maybe the U last.
post #3960 of 12515
this is some serious shoe
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