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post #9466 of 20222
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Originally Posted by Robs89 View Post

I think so too. This 43 (9UK) is more like a 44 to be honest so that means that it's run quite big to size.
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Originally Posted by barky View Post

I find it funny that this thread is littered with postings that indicate the F last fits large on most people, with those with wide width and/or high instep being the exception, but people are still going with their direct conversion from their normal UK/US sizes.  I have posted a conversion chart earlier and if you compile even just a handful of sizing posted and study that chart closely, you can work out a fairly accurate correlation between the F last and UK/US sizes.  And yes, the F last do, FOR MOST PEOPLE, fits larger.     
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

It did for me, I went down 1/2 size
9uk
F last 42-5

How does the F last compare to the New Peter last? If I wear a 43 in New Peter (I have this one), should I go down to a 42.5 in F or stay 43? I've been kinda lusting after these in F last lately:
post #9467 of 20222
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Originally Posted by Fred G. Unn View Post




How does the F last compare to the New Peter last? If I wear a 43 in New Peter (I have this one), should I go down to a 42.5 in F or stay 43? I've been kinda lusting after these in F last lately:
 

I don't have any experience with P2 but the common wisdom is that it fits similar to F, just slightly roomier in the toe box.

post #9468 of 20222
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Originally Posted by barky View Post
 

I find it funny that this thread is littered with postings that indicate the F last fits large on most people, with those with wide width and/or high instep being the exception, but people are still going with their direct conversion from their normal UK/US sizes.  I have posted a conversion chart earlier and if you compile even just a handful of sizing posted and study that chart closely, you can work out a fairly accurate correlation between the F last and UK/US sizes.  And yes, the F last do, FOR MOST PEOPLE, fits larger.     

I would like to add that if you have low instep/ low volume/ flat feet/ narrow width, you are going to have to size down even more.

post #9469 of 20222
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Originally Posted by barky View Post

I find it funny that this thread is littered with postings that indicate the F last fits large on most people, with those with wide width and/or high instep being the exception, but people are still going with their direct conversion from their normal UK/US sizes.  I have posted a conversion chart earlier and if you compile even just a handful of sizing posted and study that chart closely, you can work out a fairly accurate correlation between the F last and UK/US sizes.  And yes, the F last do, FOR MOST PEOPLE, fits larger.     

Great. Another self proclaimed Vass expert.

Now if I take the flip side of your expert suggestion, are you implying that "most people" should buy U last in half-size-up from their F last size???

But Mr. Vass thinks otherwise.

Hmmm. Whom to believe...

p.s., why would anyone suggest going down half a size for too wide a shoes is beyond me. The proper way to fit is to go down a width. Insufficient allowance between toe and edge of the shoes will result in toes pinched; but if you have nurtured and deformed feet...
post #9470 of 20222
For me both F and U fit slightly on the large side. I am a 8 UK in most brands and with "traditional" conversion a 42, which Rezsö recommended at first. Came out big though and I now wear 41 in F and U.
post #9471 of 20222
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post


Now if I take the flip side of your expert suggestion, are you implying that "most people" should buy U last in half-size-up from their F last size???

But Mr. Vass thinks otherwise.

Hmmm. Whom to believe...
 

Certainly not from me.  All I have said on U last is that most people here size down but some don't.  I have no opnion on that last.   As for the F last, you are certainly more than welcome to test my hypothesis for you ownself.  The conversion chart is here. 

 

I do agree with you that sizing down a width is the correct way but most people just size down.  


Edited by barky - 1/29/14 at 12:14am
post #9472 of 20222
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Originally Posted by Fred G. Unn View Post



How does the F last compare to the New Peter last? If I wear a 43 in New Peter (I have this one), should I go down to a 42.5 in F or stay 43? I've been kinda lusting after these in F last lately:
I have 45 in P2, which fits pretty well. I am able to squeeze into 45 F, but the instep is about 1cm too small. One option might be to do a wide F, but there are some risks and inconveniences to that.

FWIW, I have that very model in P2 (oxblood), and while the F does look better, I still like how it comes out on P2.
post #9473 of 20222
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Originally Posted by barky View Post
 

Certainly not from me.  All I have said on U last is that most people here size down but some don't.

 

I'm not at all sure that this is correct.  One could just as easily claim that most people here wear the same size, but some don't.  I have seen the mostly same voices suggesting a size difference - but the same can also be said of the opposite side.  I really don't know what most people do in this regard. 

 

I do know that I take the same size in F and U lasts.  And I do know that I have a wide-ish forefoot and high-ish instep. I find the fit essentially the same between the two everywhere but the toe box, which is narrower and comparatively more confining in U.  Such is true of chiseled versus round toe lasts in general.   If one has fat, widely-splayed toes, he may well have to take a different size (i.e., a larger size in the chiseled U than in the round-toed F).  But chiseled lasts in general aren't  going to be very accommodating of that type of foot shape.

 

I do know that one vendor that I have worked with - who has both vastly  more experience than I and a financial interest in getting the fit right - did not recommend a size difference between U and F.

 

And I do think Mr. Vass knows a good deal more about these lasts than I do.


Edited by RogerP - 1/29/14 at 4:42am
post #9474 of 20222

I'm not sure why this is a matter of such debate.  If shoe sizes were just a matter of length, depth and width, it would be easy - i.e. if we all had cuboid feet.  But we don't.  Every foot is a different shape, every last is a different shape.  My feet are relatively wide across the forefoot.  And slightly different sizes.  And rather curved.  I have a size that usually works for me, but sometimes go up or down or wide or not.  

 

The fact is that Vass lasts, like most makers' lasts, are different shapes and not just different toe designs.  So they will fit everyone differently.  Some will be the same size in all - perhaps lucky enough to be closest to the version of the "normal" foot that Mr Vass had in mind when designing.  And some will have to size up in this or down in that because one shape is just not quite right for their pinky or their instep or their heel width or whatever.  There isn't a rule.  Except perhaps start with your normal size, and there's no substitute for trying stuff on.  That is all.

post #9475 of 20222
Mimo. Yes and no. All that you say is true, but there still are some sizing up / down choices that are so prevalent that they take on the status of general rules. Like sizing down a half size for the Alden Barrie last, for example.

Sizing up for U or down for F (depending upon one's frame of reference) is not such a rule, IMO.

Mr. Vass' input on sizing is telling insofar as it suggests the rule might well be the opposite. Of course, some may find that deviating from that rule works better for them.
post #9476 of 20222
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Originally Posted by dlind View Post

Vass have a "semi-bespoke" service where they will measure your feet and adjust a last according to your needs, think it's €620 per pair. This does require a visit to Budapest though! 

Is it possible to avoid VAT on that if they're exported?
post #9477 of 20222
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Originally Posted by The False Prophet View Post

Is it possible to avoid VAT on that if they're exported?
Outside Europe you should avoid VAT. Rezso certainly quoted me a VAT free price before I unfortunately had to tell him I live in Europe
post #9478 of 20222
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Originally Posted by Knowledge is King View Post

Roguls, I think you mean 43 wide (since he said he's a uk9 in Herring and Carmina which is analogous to 43 in Vass P2 last). If you actually meant 42, then I can't say I agree

Yes, you're right. I thought he said US9.
post #9479 of 20222
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But how does one consider himself high or low instep?

 



Do you consistently have problems with shoes fitting tight over the instep in a standard width? Facings splayed open on an oxford, pain at the instep during breakin? If so, you might have a high instep.

Do you consistently have problems with shoes fiting loose over the instep in a standard width? Facings fully closed with room underneath on an oxford - or wishing you could go past the last button hole on a monk? If so, you might have a low instep.

Nice description. My low instep and wide forefoot is maddening. P2 is one of the best I've found.
post #9480 of 20222
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Originally Posted by OzzyJones View Post


Outside Europe you should avoid VAT. Rezso certainly quoted me a VAT free price before I unfortunately had to tell him I live in Europe

+1, as long as you get them shipped to you/claim VAT back at the airport when going home. 

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