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post #18556 of 20267

Hello Vass people.

 

I have been inspired by @RogerP's collection to buy my first pair of Vass shoes soon. I would like last and model suggestions. I'm looking for a black captoe for the most CBD of CBD wear - Minimal broguing; maybe a line just at the toe cap, but no more. (Is this quarter broguing? Eighth?)

 

I haven't found many lasts from other makers that fit my feet very well. I have wide feet with a high instep. Allen Edmonds Park ave in 10E are pretty terrible. The arch support is in the wrong spot for my foot. They also feel snug throughout. I don't like the last shape. Would not buy again.

 

Carmina Rain last in 9.5UK is better in terms of last shape and comfort, but still feels snug on the top outside edge of my foot, and leaves more of a v split in the lacing than I'd like. The split is tolerable, but sub-optimal. the shoe also seems pretty long for my foot, but I might just not be used to shoes with a long toebox.

 

Any suggestions? 

 

Would prefer not to go MTO, but would be willing to do so if it meant a great fit.

 

Can anyone compare Vass quality to Carmina and EG? I can get Carmina for substantially less (~$300 less) and EG for around the same price or a little less if I wait for a Brooks Brothers coupon. Also, is it much cheaper to buy direct if my might be in Hungary as a tourist in a year or two? 

 

Thx

post #18557 of 20267

A few thoughts.

 

1) There really isn't much down side to going MTO - that's the predominant sale model for Vass and @jokb is great to work with.

 

2) Speaking of which, since you're in Toronto make a trip out to Mississauga to visit Jok and get properly sized.  All the well-intentioned e-sizing advice you might receive on the forum is worth FAR less that trying the shoes on for yourself.  F might work for you based on what you describe, but I have a sneaking suspicion that P2 will be bliss.

 

3) I love Carmina.  I probably own a half dozen pairs.  Vass blows them into the weeds.  Which isn't to say they suck, but that there is a hierarchy and Vass is clearly higher.

 

4) EG and G&G are better than Vass in terms of overall refinement, quality control and quality of leather.  Vass counters with hand-welted construction.  This is indisputably a superior method of construction, but don't buy into the overblown hype about it (and the even more absurd bashing of Goodyear Welting that you will read in some corners of this very forum).  The superiority is more theoretical than practical.  Well maintained, a pair of EG and a pair of Vass will last a loooong time.  And if you build a solid rotation of quality shoes, they will all last as long as your feet.

post #18558 of 20267
This is interesting, and I'm sure you're correct since you've handled far more shoes from the aforementioned makers than I have, RogerP. But from the pairs I've handled, although a sample size to small to be able to make an objective judgement, I'm under the impression that Vass' leather is superior to EG's. Again, this is according to my personal and small experience. Vass' leather shows almost no signs of creases and feels smoother yet more substantial than EG's. I can't speak with regard to longitivity as I've only owned the respective shoes a couple of years, but I'm sure both will hold up well over time.

What features makes you consider EG calf better than Vass, RogerP?

On the matter of QC, Vass would definitively need to address this.

EDIT: Isn't Vass sourcing museum calf from the same place as John Lobb, which would put the two makers on par with each other?
post #18559 of 20267

EG is certainly more consistent in their leather quality.  And their crust leather is more supple than the Vass box calf  and takes a ridiculously good shine.  EG suede is just better, period.  But EG also costs a good deal more on average.

 

The main point of distinction is variablity.  I have some pairs of Vass - like my burgundy dubmonks - where the leather is just absurdly nice.  I have had other pairs where it is certainly good, but not exceptionally so.

 

Both brands are excellent and overall I am extremely happy with the examples I own of each.

post #18560 of 20267
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

EG is certainly more consistent in their leather quality.  And their crust leather is more supple than the Vass box calf  and takes a ridiculously good shine.  EG suede is just better, period.  But EG also costs a good deal more on average.

The main point of distinction is variablity.  I have some pairs of Vass - like my burgundy dubmonks - where the leather is just absurdly nice.  I have had other pairs where it is certainly good, but not exceptionally so.

Both brands are excellent and overall I am extremely happy with the examples I own of each.
Thanks for your input. I guess I've been lucky with the pair of Vass shoes I've ordered (or unlucky with my EG shoes depending on how you look at it). I can't speak about suede as I'm anti biggrin.gif
post #18561 of 20267
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Originally Posted by scatterbrain View Post
 

Hello Vass people.

 

I have been inspired by @RogerP's collection to buy my first pair of Vass shoes soon. I would like last and model suggestions. I'm looking for a black captoe for the most CBD of CBD wear - Minimal broguing; maybe a line just at the toe cap, but no more. (Is this quarter broguing? Eighth?)

 

I haven't found many lasts from other makers that fit my feet very well. I have wide feet with a high instep. Allen Edmonds Park ave in 10E are pretty terrible. The arch support is in the wrong spot for my foot. They also feel snug throughout. I don't like the last shape. Would not buy again.

 

Carmina Rain last in 9.5UK is better in terms of last shape and comfort, but still feels snug on the top outside edge of my foot, and leaves more of a v split in the lacing than I'd like. The split is tolerable, but sub-optimal. the shoe also seems pretty long for my foot, but I might just not be used to shoes with a long toebox.

 

Any suggestions? 

 

Would prefer not to go MTO, but would be willing to do so if it meant a great fit.

 

Can anyone compare Vass quality to Carmina and EG? I can get Carmina for substantially less (~$300 less) and EG for around the same price or a little less if I wait for a Brooks Brothers coupon. Also, is it much cheaper to buy direct if my might be in Hungary as a tourist in a year or two? 

 

Thx

 

Based on what you mentioned the P2 last may work well for you but It's always best to try it out first. We're the same size, I'm a 9.5UK in Rain as well and a P2 in 43.5 fit me very comfortably. I recommend you go in for a fitting first.

 

MTO only if there's a specific makeup you're looking for that you can't get from people/companies that stock them. But MTO is the main business model of Vass. 

 

Roger is accurate with the description about the differences. I don't own any Carmina calf as I didn't like quality when I saw them. 

post #18562 of 20267
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Originally Posted by scatterbrain View Post
 

Hello Vass people.

 

I have been inspired by @RogerP's collection to buy my first pair of Vass shoes soon. I would like last and model suggestions. I'm looking for a black captoe for the most CBD of CBD wear - Minimal broguing; maybe a line just at the toe cap, but no more. (Is this quarter broguing? Eighth?)

 

I haven't found many lasts from other makers that fit my feet very well. I have wide feet with a high instep. Allen Edmonds Park ave in 10E are pretty terrible. The arch support is in the wrong spot for my foot. They also feel snug throughout. I don't like the last shape. Would not buy again.

 

Carmina Rain last in 9.5UK is better in terms of last shape and comfort, but still feels snug on the top outside edge of my foot, and leaves more of a v split in the lacing than I'd like. The split is tolerable, but sub-optimal. the shoe also seems pretty long for my foot, but I might just not be used to shoes with a long toebox.

 

Any suggestions? 

 

Would prefer not to go MTO, but would be willing to do so if it meant a great fit.

 

Can anyone compare Vass quality to Carmina and EG? I can get Carmina for substantially less (~$300 less) and EG for around the same price or a little less if I wait for a Brooks Brothers coupon. Also, is it much cheaper to buy direct if my might be in Hungary as a tourist in a year or two? 

 

Thx

 

 

not to derail the Vass thread (I like Vass too!) - but your foot shape (and experience with the rain last) sounds exactly like a foot that Enzo bonafe's lasts are made for. I would suggest shooting the gents at skoak an email and trying a pair from bonafe

post #18563 of 20267
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Originally Posted by sleepyinsanfran View Post
 

 

 

not to derail the Vass thread (I like Vass too!) - but your foot shape (and experience with the rain last) sounds exactly like a foot that Enzo bonafe's lasts are made for. I would suggest shooting the gents at skoak an email and trying a pair from bonafe


yea he is right in the comment. Enzo Bonafe is also hand welted and makes some lasts that are quite high in the instep.

 

There is a huge variety of lasts by Vass, so there still is a good chance that you will be able to find one if you play around with the different widths.

post #18564 of 20267
I endorse the P2 comments. Maybe a wide F would work
post #18565 of 20267
i have so much experience with vass and so I want to write a vass sizing guide but i dont even know where to begin...
post #18566 of 20267
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

i have so much experience with vass and so I want to write a vass sizing guide but i dont even know where to begin...


just do your best and others can add in info if desired! It can be a team effort!

post #18567 of 20267
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Originally Posted by mw313 View Post


just do your best and others can add in info if desired! It can be a team effort!

The problem with others chipping in is the lack of consensus. Just try to get agreement on whether to take the same size in U and F.. ;-)
post #18568 of 20267
Thanks for the advice all. Plan to get properly sized in person and order from jok.
post #18569 of 20267
Hell I think I can go half size down on F size to 42 vs 42.5 on U & K last. Only have F last shell boot & is little spacious.
post #18570 of 20267
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Originally Posted by scatterbrain View Post

Thanks for the advice all. Plan to get properly sized in person and order from jok.

Excellent.
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