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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

Not everyone has as much girth as you?

 

 

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I have a question about RTW and MTO. Are those models listed online RTW? If I change the color or last of a model, does it make my order MTO? Thank you for answering.

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Originally Posted by Mica2015 View Post

I have a question about RTW and MTO. Are those models listed online RTW? If I change the color or last of a model, does it make my order MTO? Thank you for answering.

If they don't have the exact shoe you're looking for in the store, then they have to make it for you from scratch. That is MTO, no matter how many or few options you change from their "collection."
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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post


If they don't have the exact shoe you're looking for in the store, then they have to make it for you from scratch. That is MTO, no matter how many or few options you change from their "collection."


Thank you for the prompt response, adding to my question, the "collection", listed online, are those shoes RTW?

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I am asking because I feel like the whole ordering process advertised online is for MTO only. I just want a RTW pair.

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

Not everyone has as much girth as you?

I am sure you guys do not want to know.:lol:

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Originally Posted by Mica2015 View Post

One sizing question. I have come to conclusion to order an U last 40.5 after reading many posts. However, when reading some posts, I found some posts mentioned the size along with width designation. Maybe I misread the post. Just to be clear, Vass size does not come with width, it that true?

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Originally Posted by sleepyinsanfran View Post

vass lasts come in 4 widths (mto) afaik: standard (F), narrow (E), wide (G) and extra wide (H). not sure if all widths are available on the U since I dont have any pairs on teh U last

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Originally Posted by bdavro23 View Post

... and there is 3 mm difference between these width fittings, fyi.

Yes this is correct. I have the narrow width.

If you are in between you can also get a full sock liner to add in, which would help raise your foot up slightly, effectively decreasing the width by about 1/4 - 1/2 width.

Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Only if you consider extra width simply as a measure across the sole.  Extra width is also extra circumference (a foot is not a flat plane).  We may call those "width" increments but they're width and volume as well.   I believe each width with Vass is about 1cm extra circumference (with all the caveats that need to be voiced about such levels of precision here).

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Originally Posted by bdavro23 View Post

Well said and clarified, though I assumed that was implied.

I have a somewhat low volume foot, which makes sizing tricky for me in many lasts. I have not yet tried a narrow fitting Vass, but am thinking about it for an upcoming Budapester order. I take 43.5 in both F and U, and recently got a split toe on Peter sized down to 43. It fits very well, though I am left wondering if I wouldnt have better arch fit if I had taken 43.5 on a narrow fitting, thus my contemplation of the Budapester. I plan on ordering it in Cordovan as well, which typically runs a bit larger, further complicating the decisions.

The fun of Vass sizing smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Mica2015 View Post

thank you for answering, but people typically don't talk about width, are most people just ordering standard width?

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Originally Posted by Zapasman View Post

I understand from his book that the girth increment is only 0.5 cm (but it seems not much to me).

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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

Is this measured around the upper only (from welt to welt) or all around? I thought it was 1cm all around. I remember checking that back in the days on some of our first MTOs in wide fittings.

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Originally Posted by Zapasman View Post

If I am not wrong,  he was taking about measuring around the matatarsal bones (the ball).

Yes width for a shoe is the overall volume or circumference around the shoe. When width goes up or down the actual sole "width" does change but the height of the shoe changes as well because volume is a three dimensional measurement. Just because someone's foot is wider doesn't mean that their foot won't have more volume due to a change in the height of the instep.

This can vary from the soft tissue (i.e. Fat, muscle, skin) but can also be the osseus (bone) structure of their foot. This is why some people will be able to tolerate different widths for sizing even is their foot has the same measurements. You need to evaluate if the width or lack there of, for your foot is soft tissue or bone. If it is bone, you will need a better fitting shoe because the foot will not change shape as much. If you have a lot of soft tissue, the foot can move around a bit more due to the nature of that tissue, which allows that person to tolerate tightness in some places by that same tissue moving to fill in other areas of the shoe to get a better fill of the shoe.

A Boney narrow foot will need the best fit because nothing moves and the foot needs a near perfect last or the shoe will have many areas of leather that cause weird creasing due to the lack of volume.

A wide or high volume but Boney foot needs a good fit, because any tight spots can cause added pressure and irritation on the bones that doesn't have extra soft tissue cushioning them.


Hope that helps to clarify things a bit.
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For what it's worth, greater width doesn't automatically necessitate extra height, esp. not when we focus on the foot itself. Unfortunately standard lasts seldom reflect real life feet...a statistical average of common foot types, perhaps. This is why...all other things being equal...obsessing about last shapes (esp. in RTW footwear) for any reason other than aesthetics is wildly misinformed and misguided. It's magical thinking and not much else.

As a maker, whose primary concern is the foot...with all its idiosyncrasies...but nevertheless ever mindful of the shoe and how it affects the foot (and vice versa) I have to express some reservation regarding a...shall we say...somewhat more ready tolerance vis-a-vis fit for any foot configuration.

It's true that a meaty, high volume foot has more cushioning and so may not experience immediate discomfort. But cushioning is not fit and the worst part of it is that any cushioning...internal or external...tends, more often than not, to camouflage a misfit. Sometimes egregious misfits. And if not fit properly, the meaty, high volume foot will create and experience problems just as surely as a boney foot, if only in the long run. It will almost always walk over the welt, for one obvious example.

Fit is fit, cushioning doesn't confer any immunity to foot problems that can develop from misfit footwear.

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Originally Posted by sleepyinsanfran View Post

Does Vass have any textured/tumbled leathers other than scotch grain calf?

thanks in advance!

They still have some hides left of a vegetable tanned grain leather from the Swedish tannery Tärnsjö from when we made a collaboration boot with it last year. Here's pics and more info about the leather.
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Vass Whiskey Shell Boot Maiden Voyage !!
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those look fantastic! were those from notch? would love to see how they age
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NAMOR yes sir !!
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Whoah how did u get whiskey from Vass??

I thought they only had Bordeaux and cigar right now.
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