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Originally Posted by bdavro23 View Post

This is a good point. I am the same in F and U, but have just dropped a half size for my upcoming Peter lasted Norweger. Fingers crossed smile.gif

dropping a half size and up a width works best for me. dropping down .5 from f might me too much if youre a normal width or slightly wide foot. might get that small toe rub that makes you think twice about wearing them in the future
post #17477 of 20539
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dropping a half size and up a width works best for me. dropping down .5 from f might me too much if youre a normal width or slightly wide foot. might get that small toe rub that makes you think twice about wearing them in the future

I have a slightly low volume foot, so I am reasonably confident in the sizing. However, the vague sizing common to the handwelted Vass shoe makes everything just that bit more exciting :)

post #17478 of 20539
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that blue suede is lovely. patliean1 does the suede feel soft? mine feel soft as a and drapery like a thick sock. its a stark contrast to the rigid, stiff, uncomfortable (by comparison) shell on the valway

 

Thanks. The nap on the suede is soft but the overall thickness of the shaft feels thin (no pun). That necessarily isn't a bad thing especially regarding flexibility and break in period.

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First wear of my P2 austerity derby boots today!

post #17480 of 20539
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Originally Posted by taxgenius View Post

The U was too narrow for me and the F is perfect. Not sure whether they are .5 difference in width though.

Why not go up in width for U?
post #17481 of 20539
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Originally Posted by sacafotos View Post


Why not go up in width for U?

 

U and F are exactly the same from heel to ball.  So if the ball fits in F last size X regular width, and U is too narrow, it is because it is too narrow in the toe area, not in the ball area.  Different people have different foot/toe shapes see examples of common shapes below. 

There are people who will take the same size in U and F - and they're likely to have a foot/toe shape like 1 or 3 that allows for a tapering toe box without squeezing the pinky too much.   Then there are other people (the vast majority in our experience) who will feel the pain in the pinky from the U's tapered toe box.  

 

For those, going up a width will give them a little more room there, but also more room at the ball (which they may not need).   It may be counter-intuitive but going up a half size may do a better job at shifting the tightness of the toe box up enough to accommodate the toes, while keeping a snug fit in the ball and heel.   It's hard to say conclusively that one solution is better than the other.  

 

The only clear conclusion is that one needs to force the U last to work for a foot like this, whereas it is a last that is probably not naturally built for people with a foot like 2, 4 and 5 above.

post #17482 of 20539
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

U and F are exactly the same from heel to ball.  So if the ball fits in F last size X regular width, and U is too narrow, it is because it is too narrow in the toe area, not in the ball area.  Different people have different foot/toe shapes see examples of common shapes below. 


There are people who will take the same size in U and F - and they're likely to have a foot/toe shape like 1 or 3 that allows for a tapering toe box without squeezing the pinky too much.   Then there are other people (the vast majority in our experience) who will feel the pain in the pinky from the U's tapered toe box.  

For those, going up a width will give them a little more room there, but also more room at the ball (which they may not need).   It may be counter-intuitive but going up a half size may do a better job at shifting the tightness of the toe box up enough to accommodate the toes, while keeping a snug fit in the ball and heel.   It's hard to say conclusively that one solution is better than the other.  

The only clear conclusion is that one needs to force the U last to work for a foot like this, whereas it is a last that is probably not naturally built for people with a foot like 2, 4 and 5 above.
You are right on the money I take same size F U & K & my foot looks very close to figure 1 thank you for the info.
post #17483 of 20539
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
 

 

U and F are exactly the same from heel to ball.  So if the ball fits in F last size X regular width, and U is too narrow, it is because it is too narrow in the toe area, not in the ball area.  Different people have different foot/toe shapes see examples of common shapes below. 

There are people who will take the same size in U and F - and they're likely to have a foot/toe shape like 1 or 3 that allows for a tapering toe box without squeezing the pinky too much.   Then there are other people (the vast majority in our experience) who will feel the pain in the pinky from the U's tapered toe box.  

 

For those, going up a width will give them a little more room there, but also more room at the ball (which they may not need).   It may be counter-intuitive but going up a half size may do a better job at shifting the tightness of the toe box up enough to accommodate the toes, while keeping a snug fit in the ball and heel.   It's hard to say conclusively that one solution is better than the other.  

 

The only clear conclusion is that one needs to force the U last to work for a foot like this, whereas it is a last that is probably not naturally built for people with a foot like 2, 4 and 5 above.

Even with an Egyptian "wide toe" like mine, your pinky will suffer. I have to size up 0.5 on lasts like U or Rain. 

post #17484 of 20539
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

U and F are exactly the same from heel to ball.  So if the ball fits in F last size X regular width, and U is too narrow, it is because it is too narrow in the toe area, not in the ball area.  Different people have different foot/toe shapes see examples of common shapes below. 


There are people who will take the same size in U and F - and they're likely to have a foot/toe shape like 1 or 3 that allows for a tapering toe box without squeezing the pinky too much.   Then there are other people (the vast majority in our experience) who will feel the pain in the pinky from the U's tapered toe box.  

For those, going up a width will give them a little more room there, but also more room at the ball (which they may not need).   It may be counter-intuitive but going up a half size may do a better job at shifting the tightness of the toe box up enough to accommodate the toes, while keeping a snug fit in the ball and heel.   It's hard to say conclusively that one solution is better than the other.  

The only clear conclusion is that one needs to force the U last to work for a foot like this, whereas it is a last that is probably not naturally built for people with a foot like 2, 4 and 5 above.

This is very informative, thanks. I guess I'm an exception to the rule because I wear the same size in F and U and it's the F that squeezes my left pinky toe. Based on everyone's responses perhaps I just have a pair of Fs that are a bit irregular.
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Long time lurker in this thread. Recently waded in and bought my first pair of Vass MTO from the chaps at Ascot. Waited about 8 weeks but was well worth it:

 

 

 


Edited by Flyest - 11/13/15 at 1:44am
post #17486 of 20539
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Originally Posted by bc78 View Post


This is very informative, thanks. I guess I'm an exception to the rule because I wear the same size in F and U and it's the F that squeezes my left pinky toe. Based on everyone's responses perhaps I just have a pair of Fs that are a bit irregular.

 

That is definitely not normal.  But that is also not very surprising - there can be some not insignificant variations in sizing 

post #17487 of 20539
@gdl203

That was amazing info, Greg. Looks like I have a Greek foot shape with high instep.

Thank you for that explanation!
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Originally Posted by MonteCarlo View Post

Very nice shade of Antique Cognac. 

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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

Congrats man those are very nice.

Thanks guys biggrin.gif
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Edited by ohshoet - 11/13/15 at 7:43pm
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im bored of dark brown suede. the red-brown looks really rich in person. its gorgeous.

3 finishes and 3 different tones on 1 shoe is too much for me... but if it suits you....
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