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post #14176 of 20242
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Originally Posted by Jazzmenco View Post

Sounds like you should stay away from the U last. it's a narrow fit, especially in the toe box. Vass uses the Euro sizing. My size is the same as yours (normal width) I take 43.5 in the F last and 44.5 in the U last (and it's still tight in the toes) Vass sizing is very tricky. I only have experience in the U and F last.
One full size difference? I have the same size in F and U.
post #14177 of 20242

I measured my 43.5 F against the 44.5 U and they are almost equal, the U is about 1/4" longer. Width the same. Maybe my U shoes are an anomaly? It is strange.:puzzled:

post #14178 of 20242
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Originally Posted by Jazzmenco View Post

I measured my 43.5 F against the 44.5 U and they are almost equal, the U is about 1/4" longer. Width the same. Maybe my U shoes are an anomaly? It is strange.puzzled.gif

Several things to consider...

Unless you're measuring a last against a last...as opposed to a shoe against another shoe...you cannot tell much.

And even then what you may be looking at is simply the effects of an extended (and usually narrower) toe.

The only way to determine if the lasts/shoes are actually the same length/size is to measure the heel to ball length on the lasts.

And the style of shoe plays a part as well--the width of the welt, the thickness and shape of the toe stiffener, the width of the heel of the last and the thickness of the heel stiffener, the presence or absence of an overlaid toe cap and/or counter--all these could be a factor in the apparent length/size of a shoe.

And compounding all that is the fact that in standard sizing, a wider last in one size will be a slightly longer last... as compared to a narrower last in the same size--width affects length, IOW.

This may all seem moot but it's also is the way to a poor fit--the exterior of the shoe is not what fits the foot.

FWIW....
post #14179 of 20242
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post



And the style of shoe plays a part as well--the width of the welt, the thickness and shape of the toe stiffener, the width of the heel of the last and the thickness of the heel stiffener, the presence or absence of an overlaid toe cap and/or counter--all these could be a factor in the apparent length/size of a shoe.

And compounding all that is the fact that in standard sizing, a wider last in one size will be a slightly longer last... as compared to a narrower last in the same size--width affects length, IOW.


FWIW....

 

I experienced both with Vass.  Not easy at all unless you go to Budapest.

post #14180 of 20242

^^^Ok, this is not encouraging me to order a pair of Vass...:uhoh:

 

I cannot find a place in all of Chicago to try Vass on either...

post #14181 of 20242
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Originally Posted by Watchman1 View Post

^^^Ok, this is not encouraging me to order a pair of Vass...uhoh.gif

I cannot find a place in all of Chicago to try Vass on either...
I'm an 8EEE in AE and a 7.5 extra wide in carmina rain, although the rain is still not quite wide enough. I have a 40.5 H width in F last that is a bit too snug, but I should have gotten a 41 since that would equate to an 8 US. I think the 41 H would have been perfect.

A 43 H on f last should work just fine for you, generally speaking.
post #14182 of 20242
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Originally Posted by Watchman1 View Post

^^^Ok, this is not encouraging me to order a pair of Vass...uhoh.gif

I cannot find a place in all of Chicago to try Vass on either...
When you consider the cost of other good shoes (including Alden), and the plummeting Euro, a round-trip to Budapest can be a productive use of R&D dollars.
post #14183 of 20242
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Originally Posted by Concordia View Post


When you consider the cost of other good shoes (including Alden), and the plummeting Euro, a round-trip to Budapest can be a productive use of R&D dollars.

 

Interesting Indeed.

 

With 3 children and 1 on the way this June/July, I can barely afford the shoes as is...

 

Doubt the wife would let me leave her at home for several days as I go gallivanting to Hungary...

 

Although, I must admit that it is very appealing.  And, perhaps a field trip to Europe would be a blessing for my little home-schoolers.  

post #14184 of 20242
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

Have you considered P2?  It's sleeker than Barrie, but wider in a standard fitting than any of the Vass Italian lasts (K,U, F).

I've never seen that particular style of boot on P2, though.

If Detroit fits you well, a standard width P2 probably would as well.

This is P2 in a tall derby boot, just to give you an idea of the lines:


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Roger is that your pair? Thats absolutely gorgeous
post #14185 of 20242
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Originally Posted by justinkapur View Post

Roger is that your pair? Thats absolutely gorgeous

Yessir, and thank you.
post #14186 of 20242
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

^^^ I wasn't suggesting the boot itself - just the last it is built on as one that might fit you comfortably.

The 136 model you have shown looks to be on the U last - like Jazzmenco, I don't think that would be a great fit for you based on what you have reported.

I like the design of the ankle boot very much though - in fact this variation below has been on my wish list forever:



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My general preference is to get a last that fits, rather than select one that doesn't and then go for a dramatically wide or narrow rendition to make up for it. I've not personally tried Vass shoes in wide / extra-wide fittings, so I can't make a recommendation based on experience there for you.

That navy boot (courtesy of Ascot shoes?) is my all time favorite shoe pic Roger! Can't get enough of it. Do you think it is as beautiful in real life? Those ascot guys know their photo filters...

As regard to the shoe width Watchman1, Rezsö informed me that each width step up on their scale represents the width corresponding to a last that is a half size bigger. I.e. if you get a 43.5 G width the width corresponds to a 44 F (standard width). If you go for the 43.5 H-width instead you'll get the width of a 44.5 F (width, not last!). He also told me that the H-width does indeed change the proportions of the U-last a bit, which was my question. So you might take the advice from the old dogs here to go for a roomier last.... Good luck with your Vass endeavour!
post #14187 of 20242
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Originally Posted by anzo View Post


That navy boot (courtesy of Ascot shoes?) is my all time favorite shoe pic Roger! Can't get enough of it. Do you think it is as beautiful in real life? Those ascot guys know their photo filters...

 

 

I believe it is.  My own pair of navy Vass are stunning, though they are an even deeper midnight blue

post #14188 of 20242
Thanks Roger, you've nudged me another inch towards the full shoe-walk-in closet 😄
post #14189 of 20242

The wacky world of Vass sizing

44.5 U last, tight on the instep and toes (especially later in the day)

 

44.5 U last, better fit, still snug but tolerable.

 

43.5 F last, nice fit, instep a bit tight but these haven't been worn yet so they may stretch a bit. Toes comfortable. One whole size smaller than U last

 

44.5 P last, very roomy all over, need thick socks (maybe some insoles)

 

Don't know why the first boots are so tight, Don't know the width, I bought them from an SF member, Could they be U narrow? Is there such a thing? The U shoes fit better, the F fits great but it's an entire size smaller, and the P, very generous, should have gone 43.5 or 44.

Anyway this gives you an idea of the wacky world of Vass sizing.

post #14190 of 20242

^^^Wow...Thanks for that my friend.  I am thinking of taking some measurements of my foot and sending them to Notch so he can ask Vass what to do.

 

I am thinking K Last in "H"width in a 43.5...

 

This is all very interesting indeed.

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