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The Ultimate Vass (Footwear) Thread (Pictures, reviews, sizing, etc...) - Page 873post #13081 of 2005211/23/14 at 2:41pmpost #13082 of 2005211/23/14 at 3:16pmpost #13083 of 2005211/23/14 at 6:04pmI can't speak for sizing vs C&J, but i run Carmina Forest in 9.5 Cordovan Oxford and Vass F last in 43.5 Calf Oxford, although they don't fit the same.
F last has a higher instep and an extended toe box, whereas the Forest last is a bit more restricting in those areas. This may be to do with the leather used, Vass calf is vastly softer, and has stretched more than the crup.
I have a Meermin in 9.5 in a loafer, Ron last. Fit wise it is slightly tighter than both Vass and Meermin, the calf is nearly as hard and pliable as crup.
Some size down, from U to F, but i run the same size in both.
It might be better for some other members to weigh in on this but i would say either 43 or 43.5, dependent on the shape of your foot.post #13084 of 2005211/23/14 at 6:44pmQuote:Originally Posted by JLopez
I am thinking to get my first vass shoes and I need your advice to choose the right size.
I like the F last and to give you some examples I wear 9 UK E widht in the last 341 of C&J, last forest of Carmina 9,5 UK, 9,5 UK last hiro Meermin.
Many thanks for your help.
I am a Uk9.5 in Meermin Hiro
UK9.5 in Carmina Rain l
Uk10 in Carmina Simpson
EU 43.5 in F last
UK 9,5 in AS 109 Last
Hope it helpspost #13085 of 2005211/23/14 at 10:21pmThank you very much for you answers, from Vass told me to get a 9,5 UK but other people told me that F last is very close to 341 last C&J so they advice me to get the same size than C&J (9UK).
So I am confused even though Vass told me that if there is any problem with the size they would change the shoes for another ones or refund me the money.
Thanks againg for your help.
Cheerspost #13086 of 2005211/23/14 at 11:16pmQuote:Originally Posted by DWFII
Well, it really comes down to this...and no disrespect intended...you don't know what you're talking about and as a result you don't share the same basis of understanding. Again, I could sit down with Daniel Wegan or Janne Melkersson and within minutes we'd both realize that we shared a common perspective--only the details would vary.
When you read what I am saying, you're just seeing the details of what we all believe. It's a common lexicon. If you ask a doctor why you get a cold he'll tell you it's about viruses. If you're a doctor you know that it's about much more than that. Maybe if you listened to a discussion between two doctors talking about the common cold...well, what part of that do you think you would you understand?
That's why I told you to do as much with Janne as you could. If you actually handwelt a shoe--you are going to handwelt, aren't you?--you'll understand a hell of a lot more than you even have the background or capacity to understand now.
It's like the old story of the three blind men and the elephant--one feels a leg and thinks that elephants are like trees. Another feels the trunk and assumes a snake and the third...well, I don't remember the rest. But suffice it to say that only the elephant or someone who can see the whole picture really knows what an elephant is like.
I wish I could have made my response shorter because, for me, the issue of whether you see me as being "more objective" or worth listening to is almost beside the point. There was so much more to it than that.
But in the end you do fall prey to listening to third parties, even fourth parties. For instance I have never said that GY results in a "serious" risk of failure. I have said that there is a real and on-going risk of failure. And I have provided both objective analysis and photographic evidence...from my own work to examples from some of the best RTW makers in the world...as well as similar opinions from other bespoke makers.
There is a difference in what I have actually said and what people who don't know what they are talking about want to believe I've said. And, from your remarks, I suspect, you've bought into a common mythology that no one can actually verify.
You have to decide what you want to believe. I don't actually care if you believe me...that's why I'm so tenacious. Some will believe me, some will believe others--the fact that those "others" and I agree about almost everything, doesn't seem to matter. But those others are not here...are they? So if you say "so and so said this..." it's just hearsay. Just because so and so is not, in fact, actually here saying those things. We don't hear those voices or their opinions. We don't hear them elaborate or qualify. We don't hear what they've really said or meant.
Just the echos...
I feel that I have learned a lot from your posts here regarding shoemaking. With your logic, I haven't really learned anything at all, I can't understand it at all, since I'm not a shoemaker. Funny thing is, that when I write things that goes in exactly the line of your opinion, I have understood things, but when I write things that's not to your line, I can't understand anything at all. And may I ask why you think it's worth posting on StyleForum (where there's very few shoemakers), when no one here really can't understand what you write, since they "don't have the whole picture", just "see the details"? (Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you write here, I feel that I learn from you, although you don't seem to think that I can do that. Just try to see it from your perspective.)
And sure, I can revise what I said before. You say that there's a "real and on-going risk of failure", but when I talk to Janne Melkersson about gemming failure, he says that it’s so rare that a shoe break down because of it that it’s almost no reason to take it into account. I'm not saying he's right and your wrong, but that's what he said when me, him and a couple of other guys discussed the issue at a dinner recently. I haven't "bought into a common mythology that no one can actually verify." I was asking why I should believe you more than him, that's what I did.
You are more than welcome to sit down with Daniel or Janne and talk about these things. I have a hard time morphing myself into them, unfortunately.
Regarding rubber soles, the post I think you are referring to is where he talk about a 2 mm midsole. If you read this post by him, they do send their shoes to a factory for stitiching on synthetic soles. Since you were referring to it before, I assume you take this as a first hand source for you. So pardon me, but when you write "James Ducker agrees with me...as do almost every bespoke maker I have ever talked to. The people who most vociferously disagree with me are invariably those who have virtually zero knowledge or experience. What does that tell you?", I have a hard time seeing that.
So, enough nagging about this, let the Vass discussions continue.
Edited by j ingevaldsson - 11/24/14 at 2:00ampost #13087 of 2005211/23/14 at 11:34pmpost #13088 of 2005211/23/14 at 11:53pmpost #13089 of 2005211/24/14 at 1:23amHere some older and used ones, in U-last and size 41. The Budapest-Oxford in burgundy is about 9-ish years old, and the boot in cognac about half a year younger. Both have had plenty of use and abuse thanks to rain, sleet and snow. The discoloring at the front of the shoe is caused by the wet conditions. Boots have commando rubber sole (I will switch into Dainite soles at some point) and shoes have the original thin rubber sole glued on top of the leather.post #13090 of 2005211/24/14 at 4:20ampost #13091 of 2005211/24/14 at 4:28ampost #13092 of 2005211/24/14 at 4:35am
Amazing shoes! Very nice makeup...
One question if you don't mind? How does the nap of the suede feel? The reason I'm asking is because the last time I did suede with Vass, the nap felt a bit rough...
In any case, congrats on the kop!post #13093 of 2005211/24/14 at 4:42ampost #13094 of 2005211/24/14 at 4:50ampost #13095 of 2005211/24/14 at 5:01am
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