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post #10771 of 20218
what about dainite?
post #10772 of 20218
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Originally Posted by agedashidofu View Post

For folks here who have owned and worn both Vass and Carmina, what has your experience been so far, in terms of comfort and quality? I've owned and worn both for ~4 years now, and am still undecided on which one is better...:-) would be interested to hear others' experiences.

Here's my humble long-term review so far (limited to rain, simpson last for carmina, and U, K last for vass)

1. Comfort
Soles generally start out really stiff for Carminas but very comfortable once broken in. Vass is normally more flexible from the start (maybe bcs they're hand welted)

Footbed on Carminas really mold to the shape of your feet over time - not as much for Vass (Carmina uses cork porridge for the footbed while Vass uses cork sheets, just like St Crispin.)

Heel grip is much better for Vass (heel shape is curvier and hugs the heels better.) Never had any heel slip problems with Vass. I always have heel slip with new Carminas, but gone once sole becomes more flexible. Still, the heels don't grip as well as Vass.

2. Longevity
I have a 3 year old Pair of Vass which still looks as perfectly balanced as when they were new. My carmina pair had gone off balance over time.

Leather upper still in good condition for both (they're Horween shells.) I don't own any calf skin for Carmina, only Vass, so can't comment there

The insole for Carmina has held up very well (not so much for Vass.) the full insock lining on Vass deteriorates over time (though can be replaced easily.) I generally prefer carmina's traditional half sock lining.

Am really itching to include St. Crispin in the long-term review, but I would have to own one first :-))

 

Assuming both are the same price, would you rather go for a pair of Carminas in shell or Vass in calf?

post #10773 of 20218
Can someone confirm that the middle shoe in brown pebble is on the P2 last?

Left shoe is P2 from No Man Walks Alone.

p2_zps75c01b01.jpg
post #10774 of 20218
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Vass whiskey and Alden Ravello looks nearly identical here
post #10775 of 20218
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Vass whiskey and Alden Ravello looks nearly identical here

I am once again impressed with Vass' leather.
post #10776 of 20218
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I am once again impressed with Vass' leather.

I believe that's Whiskey shell cordovan which they source from Horween.
post #10777 of 20218
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Assuming both are the same price, would you rather go for a pair of Carminas in shell or Vass in calf?

 

Interestingly enough, I am currently facing this dilemma.  I was planning on a Vass austerity boot in calf and was recently presented with the opportunity to buy a Carmina austerity boot in shell for less money than the Vass in calf.   

post #10778 of 20218
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Assuming both are the same price, would you rather go for a pair of Carminas in shell or Vass in calf?

For me it would come down to the specific shoes / boots in question as opposed to any general rule of preference between Carmina shell and Vass calf. I have a few of both.
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post #10780 of 20218
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I own two Carminas, and four Vass (have owned more), and to me they are really in different leagues. Carmina are really great shoes for the price, no word about it, but Vass is definitely at least one step above. Vass has better leather quality (although they do use a bit too much from each hide to be perfect, the quarters are often a bit lower in quality), better soles, real leather heel and toe stiffeners instead of leather board heel and plastic toe, better insoles, and, obviously, better construction method. 


I know very difference price point but how would you rate Vass vs G&G ?

post #10781 of 20218
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Vass whiskey and Alden Ravello looks nearly identical here
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Originally Posted by add911_11 View Post

I am once again impressed with Vass' leather.
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I believe that's Whiskey shell cordovan which they source from Horween.
My whiskey boots are closer to my whiskey PTB... this varies a lot though due to batches since my recent LWB is more "yellow" than my PTB. My ravellos have a deeper red hue. I wish I had those ravello NST boots frown.gif
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I know very difference price point but how would you rate Vass vs G&G ?
It depends what you want and preference. G&G does the finishing (which some love/hate) on crust and Vass uses aniline, which has a different look. G&G has more aggresive lasts while Vass has a pretty wide range. The GYW vs. HW topic has been discussed so there is no need to go over that again.

Because G&G's lasts fit me better and my preference towards crust leather, I go G&G. Vass is excellent in many other details (price and design flexibility to name some).
post #10782 of 20218
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Assuming both are the same price, would you rather go for a pair of Carminas in shell or Vass in calf?

That's a tough one. I have devised a matrix system which generally lists down which designs / leather / lasts are unique to each brand and have a long-term purchase plan that's incorporated to my yearly budget planning. The intent is to maximize variety within the determined budget. Just a few examples, I would get the following:

Ruby shell in cap toe from Carmina
- Available in RTW @ RTW price
- I don't know any other brands that can source ruby shells including Vass.)

Old english 2 from Vass in bordeaux shell / suede combination
- Style unique to Vass
- Vass' bordeaux shell is more oxblood / darker than Carmina's

GG deco papworth in any calf / shell

I would also get Vass museum calf adelaide since Carmina neither offers museum calf nor adelaide style (w heel counter)

Do I have a problem? Absolutely!!!
post #10783 of 20218
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Do I have a problem? Absolutely!!!

99 problems but the shoes ain't one :rimshot: 

 

All kidding aside, I do the same. I have for the time being, a budget of one shoe and one boot per year, where I plan (dream..) to go to Budapest and have a fitted Vass done next spring. Yes I could blow my budget and cave in this summer. But it's also nice to dream and make plans.

post #10784 of 20218
Burgundy shell and scotch grain, Budapest last:

post #10785 of 20218
Those are wild!!!
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