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post #10741 of 20262
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

how do you like these? versatile? i imagine you wear them with cords, chinos, and denim?

I love them. Color is great. Really deep. And yes, wear with all those. They seem to go really will with denim in fact. Could wear for business as well, I'd think, though the Goyser makes for better casual wear.
post #10742 of 20262
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Originally Posted by hentaisan View Post

I think I should be the same size as you based on Simpson and Rain sizing.

Did you find there being a difference between U and F lasts?
There's s a difference. Some people size down 1/2 size from U to F and dome don't. I've never tried F in size EU41. But I can tell you that the U in EU41,5 is a much better fit on my foot than the F in the same size.
post #10743 of 20262
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Originally Posted by DonRaphael View Post


There's s a difference. Some people size down 1/2 size from U to F and dome don't. I've never tried F in size EU41. But I can tell you that the U in EU41,5 is a much better fit on my foot than the F in the same size.


Do you think the 41.5 F last is slightly too big?

 

Can you describe how the Simpson and Rain fits on you?

post #10744 of 20262
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Originally Posted by hentaisan View Post


Do you think the 41.5 F last is slightly too big?

Can you describe how the Simpson and Rain fits on you?
The F is roomy in every aspect. I would say a little more than I want it at least around the ancle. I don't know if i could fit into EU41, but I surely would like o try at least.

The Rain fits snug and comfortable, as I would like it. I get some, not much at all though, heel slip. Nothing serious, I don't need pads or anything like that but I can feel that the Rain is a better fit. Also I wish the Simpson was slightly wider. All in all, U fits me best and most comfortably. Hope this helps.
post #10745 of 20262
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Originally Posted by DonRaphael View Post


The F is roomy in every aspect. I would say a little more than I want it at least around the ancle. I don't know if i could fit into EU41, but I surely would like o try at least.

The Rain fits snug and comfortable, as I would like it. I get some, not much at all though, heel slip. Nothing serious, I don't need pads or anything like that but I can feel that the Rain is a better fit. Also I wish the Simpson was slightly wider. All in all, U fits me best and most comfortably. Hope this helps.


yea, my experiences have been pretty similar. I'm still torn between 41 and 41.5.

 

Do you compensate for the extra room by using pads in the F (or wear thick socks)?

post #10746 of 20262
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Originally Posted by hentaisan View Post


yea, my experiences have been pretty similar. I'm still torn between 41 and 41.5.

Do you compensate for the extra room by using pads in the F (or wear thick socks)?
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough, the slip is in the Simpson, not F last. I haven't experienced slipage in the F, just roominess as in generous volume compared to my other shoes. I never compensate to get a good fit. My rule of thumb, since I have relatively normal feet, is that if I need pads etc to have a good fit the shoe ks probably the wrong size. So it's nothing drastic that calls for assistance, but it's a little fuller than I would like it.
post #10747 of 20262
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Originally Posted by FranceT View Post

Hello everybody, I speak for the property of Vecchia Toscana Group and I'm glad to announce you that the company has taken the management of Ilcea Tannery since 01/01/2014. The entire technical staff of Ilcea still work for the tannery and all the historical articles are now available for production. The news reported by xabi2005 is not entirely correct because Ilcea thanks to the financial strength of the new owner is now producing only from top european raw calf hides, while the old Ilcea in the last years was forced to buy wet blue hides from different traders because of financial problems (the major suppliers didn't give credit to old Ilcea), this fact has caused many quality problems to the old Ilcea. The tanning process is now realized in a dedicated department in Vecchia Toscana plant under the exclusive control of Ilcea staff (the choice not to produce in Turin is due mainly to legal and environmental problems), the finishing process is realized in the original Ilcea plant in Turin also under the control of Ilcea staff. If this solution seem strange to you I want to remind that Weinheimer is only a commercial company (Freudenberg closed in 2002) and devolves all the productive process to a Polish tannery (Kegar tannery). 
I think that Ilcea is a heritage to be preserved, because Ilcea calf leathers are unique.
This is the website of Vecchia Toscana Group (you can also see a video of our plant and our productive process): http://www.gruppovecchiatoscana.com/htm.htm
While this is the new website of Ilcea (is under construction, soon you will be able to see all the articles): http://www.ilceaconceria.it/
For any question or doubt you can contact me in PM 

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Seems like they're keeping old formulas as well as the technical stuff. From my discussion with Mr. Kuti he mentioned that they're making samples for Vass (due in May.) They (vass) are not sure yet of the quality until they've seen the samples and therefore not yet ready to promote Ilcea. The soonest timing of taking ordes (assuming samples are good quality) is around sept / oct.
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My first pair of Vass shoes arrived last Friday: Austerity Brogue in antique cognac on F last. 

 

Thank you @RogerP for recommending them and for the spot-on sizing advice! Need to give a plug to No Man Walks Alone too for the great service and fast shipping. 

 

Before wearing them for the first time, I was going to coat entire upper with Saphir or Collonil medium brown cream followed by Saphir wax on toe. Sound about right? Or should I apply Reno first?

 

 

 

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post #10750 of 20262
since the shoes are direct from the factory, I doubt you need any cream on it.
post #10751 of 20262
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My first pair of Vass shoes arrived last Friday: Austerity Brogue in antique cognac on F last. 

Thank you RogerP for recommending them and for the spot-on sizing advice! Need to give a plug to No Man Walks Alone too for the great service and fast shipping. 

Before wearing them for the first time, I was going to coat entire upper with Saphir or Collonil medium brown cream followed by Saphir wax on toe. Sound about right? Or should I apply Reno first?




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Beutiful shoes! I typically use Reno, then cream and finally wax on any new shoe.
post #10752 of 20262
Vass has a really nice finish already. Do you think it's necessary to wax a new pair of Vass?
post #10753 of 20262
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Originally Posted by agedashidofu View Post

Very nice!!! Would you know if this is Haas or Bonaudo museum calf?

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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

^ those are a friggin masterpiece, plum looks like a mix btwn oxblood and bordeaux w/ some antiquing

Thank you guys!

I'm not 100 sure, but think the latest plum batch is from Bonaudo.
post #10754 of 20262
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Originally Posted by Swede66 View Post


Beutiful shoes! I typically use Reno, then cream and finally wax on any new shoe.

 

Thank you!

 

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Originally Posted by JezeC View Post

since the shoes are direct from the factory, I doubt you need any cream on it.

 

 

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Originally Posted by JezeC View Post

Vass has a really nice finish already. Do you think it's necessary to wax a new pair of Vass?

 

Not sure. I typically treat all of my new shoes before wearing them to add a layer of protection. These are nicer than any others that I own, however, so perhaps this is an unnecessary step for footwear of this level of quality? They do have a few scuffs on the sides, but they will buff out. 

post #10755 of 20262
For folks here who have owned and worn both Vass and Carmina, what has your experience been so far, in terms of comfort and quality? I've owned and worn both for ~4 years now, and am still undecided on which one is better...:-) would be interested to hear others' experiences.

Here's my humble long-term review so far (limited to rain, simpson last for carmina, and U, K last for vass)

1. Comfort
Soles generally start out really stiff for Carminas but very comfortable once broken in. Vass is normally more flexible from the start (maybe bcs they're hand welted)

Footbed on Carminas really mold to the shape of your feet over time - not as much for Vass (Carmina uses cork porridge for the footbed while Vass uses cork sheets, just like St Crispin.)

Heel grip is much better for Vass (heel shape is curvier and hugs the heels better.) Never had any heel slip problems with Vass. I always have heel slip with new Carminas, but gone once sole becomes more flexible. Still, the heels don't grip as well as Vass.

2. Longevity
I have a 3 year old Pair of Vass which still looks as perfectly balanced as when they were new. My carmina pair had gone off balance over time.

Leather upper still in good condition for both (they're Horween shells.) I don't own any calf skin for Carmina, only Vass, so can't comment there

The insole for Carmina has held up very well (not so much for Vass.) the full insock lining on Vass deteriorates over time (though can be replaced easily.) I generally prefer carmina's traditional half sock lining.

Am really itching to include St. Crispin in the long-term review, but I would have to own one first :-))
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