Hey guys I'm currently a rising junior in college. I decided I wanted to go the law school route early this year, and have been attempting to pick up my grades accordingly. Now I'm strongly considering shooting for a JD/MBA - I'm a more law school oriented person, but I think a business degree and education would be very useful, especially given the current economic climate. I've got a few questions regarding admissions/intensity of these programs: 1) how difficult is it to get into a top 10 MBA program while attending the law school (assuming it's similarly competitive, ex. NYU), and having no work experience? I'd like to minimize on "wasted time," so I'd like to go directly to grad school if possible, rather than work two years solely for admission. 2) Similarly, How difficult is it to get accepted into a top JD/MBA program off the bat, versus getting into the b school "backdoor" after being accepted into the law school? 3) What else are b schools looking for? What counts more - GPA or leadership positions (assuming you can market yourself effectively)? 4) Are JD/MBA's as intense as they seem? I've heard that the first two years are hell, but after that school is alright. Thanks. RK
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JD/MBA Programs? Work Experience, Intensity, Admissions?
post #2 of 7
7/24/09 at 2:35am
purely anecdotally, it's easy to sneak in to a top program through the back door if you're already in at one of the other professional or grad schools. for example, if you can score decently on the gmat, and have business-related internships or some other indicator of interest, you should be fairly well-positioned. relatedly, i know people who are doing this right out of college, no work experience. no position on questions 3 and 4, except to the extent that 1L will suck anywhere. if you tire of the advice here you might consider cross-referencing a specialty forum like lawschooldiscussion.org.
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7/24/09 at 10:59am
post #4 of 7
7/24/09 at 11:06am
Many of those I know who are doing JD/MBA did it one of three ways:
1) They are smart and had a lot of work experience, and got in by applying to both at the same time.
2) One got into the law school but weren't accepted to the MBA program because he lacked the requisite work experience (~2 years I believe). So what he said was, "I'll go to law school here if you get me into the MBA program as well. This doesn't really work. Generally, admissions will tell you to do this:
3) Most of the people I know applied for the MBA program during their 1L year and everyone got in. I'm guessing they had good GMAT scores, but from what I hear, unless you absolutely bomb it, you will get in if you have a good academic record.
As I'm not doing the JD/MBA thing, it doesn't seem like a bad deal at all. To me, you get a great price per credit. Some of the credits overlap and to complete the program, it takes 4 years, I think. One of my good friends tells me that it is really easy. B-school is a joke he says. He took the third route. First year of law school sucks and is intense. However, his second year was ridiculous. He took like 3-4 classes a semsester (1 law/2 business) and only had one exam each semester). He has so much free time he has no idea what to do with himself.
1) They are smart and had a lot of work experience, and got in by applying to both at the same time.
2) One got into the law school but weren't accepted to the MBA program because he lacked the requisite work experience (~2 years I believe). So what he said was, "I'll go to law school here if you get me into the MBA program as well. This doesn't really work. Generally, admissions will tell you to do this:
3) Most of the people I know applied for the MBA program during their 1L year and everyone got in. I'm guessing they had good GMAT scores, but from what I hear, unless you absolutely bomb it, you will get in if you have a good academic record.
As I'm not doing the JD/MBA thing, it doesn't seem like a bad deal at all. To me, you get a great price per credit. Some of the credits overlap and to complete the program, it takes 4 years, I think. One of my good friends tells me that it is really easy. B-school is a joke he says. He took the third route. First year of law school sucks and is intense. However, his second year was ridiculous. He took like 3-4 classes a semsester (1 law/2 business) and only had one exam each semester). He has so much free time he has no idea what to do with himself.
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3) Most of the people I know applied for the MBA program during their 1L year and everyone got in. I'm guessing they had good GMAT scores, but from what I hear, unless you absolutely bomb it, you will get in if you have a good academic record.
As I'm not doing the JD/MBA thing, it doesn't seem like a bad deal at all. To me, you get a great price per credit. Some of the credits overlap and to complete the program, it takes 4 years, I think. One of my good friends tells me that it is really easy. B-school is a joke he says. He took the third route. First year of law school sucks and is intense. However, his second year was ridiculous. He took like 3-4 classes a semsester (1 law/2 business) and only had one exam each semester). He has so much free time he has no idea what to do with himself.
As I'm not doing the JD/MBA thing, it doesn't seem like a bad deal at all. To me, you get a great price per credit. Some of the credits overlap and to complete the program, it takes 4 years, I think. One of my good friends tells me that it is really easy. B-school is a joke he says. He took the third route. First year of law school sucks and is intense. However, his second year was ridiculous. He took like 3-4 classes a semsester (1 law/2 business) and only had one exam each semester). He has so much free time he has no idea what to do with himself.
Everything here mirrors exactly what I've heard.
post #7 of 7
7/24/09 at 11:54am
At my school, the difficult part for a lot of students was the MBA admissions. Many JD students are fresh out of undergrad, but MBA programs don't usually like that, focusing mostly on work experience than anything else (depending on the area you want to go into). They made exceptions for some students that were particularly bright, but that was rare.
However, I think the programs at my school had a 1 year period where you could apply to the other program to get the joint degree. So lots of admits to one program did the first year, and then got accepted into the other program. That door swung both ways, JDs going into the MBA and MBAs going into the JD. I considered it, but the starting salaries were, on average, no better for an MBA, JD, or JD/MBA. Path of least resistance was 2 years for that salary...
That said, I find it dubious that anyone had an easy time in the MBA portion of the JD/MBA. The ones I knew had worked as accountants for several years and were now getting the degrees to have a high power career as experts in SOX. Their opinion was basically that without knowing the real mechanics behind how SOX changed finance and accounting, what good would they be as lawyers in that field. Major banks were pretty eager to get these folks in the door.
I suppose if someone was doing the MBA thinking it would help them start their own law firm, then maybe it would be easier. Entrepreneurship type courses aren't necessarily the most difficult.
However, I think the programs at my school had a 1 year period where you could apply to the other program to get the joint degree. So lots of admits to one program did the first year, and then got accepted into the other program. That door swung both ways, JDs going into the MBA and MBAs going into the JD. I considered it, but the starting salaries were, on average, no better for an MBA, JD, or JD/MBA. Path of least resistance was 2 years for that salary...
That said, I find it dubious that anyone had an easy time in the MBA portion of the JD/MBA. The ones I knew had worked as accountants for several years and were now getting the degrees to have a high power career as experts in SOX. Their opinion was basically that without knowing the real mechanics behind how SOX changed finance and accounting, what good would they be as lawyers in that field. Major banks were pretty eager to get these folks in the door.
I suppose if someone was doing the MBA thinking it would help them start their own law firm, then maybe it would be easier. Entrepreneurship type courses aren't necessarily the most difficult.
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