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Does Levis' Rigid Indigo = Raw Denim?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Does Levis' Rigid Indigo Color mean that it's raw denim?

http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Product...ItemID=0dc5c68

If they are, I was thinking of picking one of these up as a cheap raw pair of jeans just to mess around with. From the picture and descriptions, the cut seems to be like a Nudie Bootcut Ola, though I'm not exactly sure. Anyone know anything about them?

While we're on the subject of Levis bootcuts, anyone from Europe have any opinions on the 507 (quality, cut, etc)?

Thanks
post #2 of 13
yah rigid levis = raw. I have a pair of Rigid skinners which are raw.
post #3 of 13
Just don't expect much from the Levi's name. It really doesn't mean anything. The Levi's you can buy at Nordstrom are not the Levi's at Macy's are not the Levi's at JC Penney are not the Levi's at Sears. The fabric and construction quality, while still ostensibly being the same cut and line, will vary dramatically. In my experience, I haven't been impressed with what I've seen. I've found pairs of Gap jeans I paid far less for have been far more robust.
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
Did you wash them yet? If so, how does the color hold up? Does it lose a lot of indigo compared to APC, Nudie, etc.? How about shrinkage? (length/waist)?

Thanks for the info if you got it.
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by turbozed
Did you wash them yet? If so, how does the color hold up? Does it lose a lot of indigo

I was at a thrift store yesterday, and saw a very skinny, dirty man clad in all denim, (shirt, vest, and 517s) I'm going to go out on a limb and say he most likely hadn't ever washed the 517s, but they looked really good, still dark with great wearlines. So mabie if you found some old deadstock on ebay, and just never wash them, or dryclean once in a while?
post #6 of 13
remember rigid doesn't always mean dry.
Rigid could simply mean 100% cotton.
Dry is always dry however.
You can have rigid dry or stretch dry
You can never have rigid stretch.
post #7 of 13
Sweet, that means that I don't have to go out and buy the 501 STFs. Thanks turbozed.
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by turbozed
Did you wash them yet? If so, how does the color hold up? Does it lose a lot of indigo compared to APC, Nudie, etc.? How about shrinkage? (length/waist)?

Thanks for the info if you got it.

This is all from what I've gathered on the web, not personal experience, so take it with a grain of salt:

The rigid 517s and 501s that you find at places like JC Penneys and milsurp stores actually *will* wear fairly nicely, and usually look pretty good after the first wash, but even a second wash will usually result in very faded, very light blue jeans. The indigo just rolls off. I suppose you could wear for a while, wash them once, and then only ever dry clean them after that. Or, at that price, just start breaking in a new pair.

As for shrinkage, if those are Shrink-to-Fit (and I believe all the low-end rigid Levis are--anyone know for sure?), I think the normal advice is to size up two sizes in both waist and inseam length, because they're not sanforized and will shrink quite a bit in the first wash.
post #9 of 13
I have luke-warm soaked my skinners once for about 45 mins, with minimal indigo loss.

Length, leg opening and waist shrank about .5", but the waist stretched back out.
post #10 of 13
The denim used in your skinners is nothing like the cheap stuff used for Levi's shrink-to-fit. My guess is the pair turbozed linked to is made of the latter.
post #11 of 13
Yah, I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by Saucemaster
This is all from what I've gathered on the web, not personal experience, so take it with a grain of salt:

The rigid 517s and 501s that you find at places like JC Penneys and milsurp stores actually *will* wear fairly nicely, and usually look pretty good after the first wash, but even a second wash will usually result in very faded, very light blue jeans. The indigo just rolls off. I suppose you could wear for a while, wash them once, and then only ever dry clean them after that. Or, at that price, just start breaking in a new pair.

As for shrinkage, if those are Shrink-to-Fit (and I believe all the low-end rigid Levis are--anyone know for sure?), I think the normal advice is to size up two sizes in both waist and inseam length, because they're not sanforized and will shrink quite a bit in the first wash.

newer 517's do not lose much indigo actually. i have a pair i bought for work and they have been washed 2 or 3 times and have barely lost any color. the denim is not as nice as some of my vintage pairs but its still looks more durable than most "premium" brands.

as far as the shrink to fit denim, only 501s are available. any denim with a zipper can not be shrink to fit for obvious reasons.

if you want some raw levis you should try searching out some older made in u.s.a. examples on ebay. ive picked them up for as little as $10 before and the pair of orange tab 517s im breaking in now will outlast all of the nudies, apcs, and lvcs on this board.
post #13 of 13
I just purchased a pair of 527's which aren't raw, more like rinsed, but certainly not washed. They do have very subtle lines behind the knees and on the lap that are almost invisible. They are kind of like those almost raw Earnest Sewns ( I think their wash is called Patriot) They were darker than a rinsed 517 and just as "rigid". I think these are a good choice for someone looking for an inexpensive pair of denim to break in. I think they are called true blue. I purchased them along with the last pair of Rigid Skinners that I could find in my size in any of the Levis stores I called. I'll likely not even use the skinners now; the 527's fit much better.
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