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post #1 of 10
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I have some general questions for the knowledgeable here, but I provide some general background first (forgive the length of the introduction):

For the last several months (about 9 months) I have become more and more commited to changing my physique. I have always been generally slight - and always will be, relatively speaking thanks in part to some of my asian heritage. I am 36 and about 5-8 and weigh around 145lbs.

About 9 months ago I started working out and then over the last 3 (or so) months started making dietary changes - backward I know but I did not know any better. Both changes were driven more by a desire to change my lifestyle than anything else. I significantly cut the amount of bar drinking I was doing and quit smoking cold turkey. Interestingly, rather than finding that trying to make all these changes at once was overwhelming I found that they tended to reinforce one another and provide motivation to each other (i.e. its tough to try and run 3 miles when you smoked half a pack of cigs the night before at the local bar). I have been able to stay fairly commited to both my excercise and diet routine.

My initial workouts were full body workouts three times a week. I didn't really know what i was doing at the time but in hindsight it seemed to be a pretty good routine - 4 sets of about 10 excercises with reps of 10/15/20/10 in a circuit manner. Over the past 3 months i started going to an upper/lower body split (though, again, I did not know thats what it was called at the time). Most recently, I have gone to a three day split (chest/shoulders/triceps on day 1, legs on day 2, back/traps/biceps on day 3 days - so still 3 workouts total per week) and do cardio interval training 2-3 times a week on off days. This more recent workout has shifted toward trying to mix in some higher weight lower rep sets. So, for most excercises I am doing 2 sets of 6 reps and 2 sets of 12 reps, trying to limit rest to 1 min between sets. I have a bench and powerblock set at home that i use for my workouts.

In terms of diet, based on some website calculators and some posts I have seen here I am monitoring what I eat and am targeting about 2w300 total calories with 230g protein, 230g carbs, 51g fat.

My current physique has improved since i started several months ago. Much better muscle definition and more muscle, generally - prior to starting I basically had nothing. I still have some fat that I would be interested in losing (particularly in the very low portion of my abodomen and on the sides of my lower back). Obviously, its not a whole lot of fat (given my weight, how could it be) and my waist size is between 30-31....its just not quite 'ripped' like I would like.

I would like to continue to add some more muscle mass (certainly not interested in getting very large but perhaps something in the 10-15lb more range) but also want to get more ripped and lose that bit of fat I have.

So, here are some of my general questions:

- are my two oobjectives (i.e. gaining muscle mass and getting ripped) mutually exclusive?
- is my new self described workout above going to help me achieve my two objectives (if not, what needs to change)? Is 1 workout for each major muscle group per week enough to meet my objectives? It feels like I am doing less than I used to because the full body was hitting areas 3 times per week (albeit with less exercises but I only do 3 chest excersises, for example, now compared to 2 in my full body workout)?
- is my diet plan as generally described above going to help me achieve my two objectives (if not, what needs to change)?
- is my dumbbell based workout going to limit achieving my objectives (i.e. do i need to think about adding a barbell set at home)?
- I hear conflicting view about carbs. I know what 'good' carbs are but should I be limiting even my good carbs? Should I be limiting them to just during the day?

Again, sorry for the length of the post but I wanted to provide enough information to get meaningful feedback.

Thoughts would be really appreciated guys!

thanks
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post #3 of 10
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yes, i saw that post - it is basically how i calculated the P/C/F split of my total calories. My OP has a bit more specificity to the questions that I am asking compared to 'how do i get big'.
post #4 of 10
eat a ton of food and do starting strength. holy shit. you're overthinking shit already. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. you dont have to worry about anything else until you're actually pushing weight. getting fucking jacked takes fucking years so like EVERYONE ELSE who wants to look like brad pitt in fight club or "an extra 10-15 lbs of muscle" you need to do fucking starting strength and eat a shitload. there you go special flower. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. as for getting big as in size vs your bodyfat %, worry about one then the other. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. if you eat clean you don't need to worry about being ripped. on the other hand if you focus on bulking you'll get big faster then you can cut later. eat a ton of food and do starting strength.
post #5 of 10
^Don't worry about him, just the roid rage

-Bulk then cut
-Do starting strength
-Eat a lot, worry about macros if you like but at this point eating a lot, cleanly is enough
-Barbells would be great to actually start pushing real weight
-Avoid the middle of the grocery store.
post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post
eat a ton of food and do starting strength.

holy shit. you're overthinking shit already. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. you dont have to worry about anything else until you're actually pushing weight. getting fucking jacked takes fucking years so like EVERYONE ELSE who wants to look like brad pitt in fight club or "an extra 10-15 lbs of muscle" you need to do fucking starting strength and eat a shitload.

there you go special flower. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. eat a ton of food and do starting strength.

as for getting big as in size vs your bodyfat %, worry about one then the other. eat a ton of food and do starting strength. if you eat clean you don't need to worry about being ripped. on the other hand if you focus on bulking you'll get big faster then you can cut later. eat a ton of food and do starting strength.


haha, you know - i have come across many individuals from canada in the past...but I must admit, you are the first prick.

I didn't ask 'how i get fuc*ing jacked' - if your reading comprehension skills were better, you might have figured this out by now.

You MAY be quite knowledgeable, i dont know, but i do know that your general attitude undermines whatever credibility you might have.

now...please post the link to your well written thread again. In order to save you the trouble though, I understand your point of view and opinion so no real need to post here again - thanks for the advice.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by adversity04 View Post
^Don't worry about him, just the roid rage

-Bulk then cut
-Do starting strength
-Eat a lot, worry about macros if you like but at this point eating a lot, cleanly is enough
-Barbells would be great to actually start pushing real weight
-Avoid the middle of the grocery store.

When you say 'eat a lot' how many calories (ballpark) are we talking about? Is the 2300 above enough?

Also, I am assuming references to 'clean' doesnt mean necessarily anything specific but more generally to lean protein, good carbs, good fat, whole grains, etc.?

thanks
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by alebrady View Post
When you say 'eat a lot' how many calories (ballpark) are we talking about? Is the 2300 above enough?

Go through the Idiots guide, it's currently on the first page and I believe he has BMR and all that linked in there

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Also, I am assuming references to 'clean' doesnt mean necessarily anything specific but more generally to lean protein, good carbs, good fat, whole grains, etc.?

Yes
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by adversity04 View Post
Go through the Idiots guide, it's currently on the first page and I believe he has BMR and all that linked in there



Yes

thanks, yes - thats where i got the calorie numbers from in the first place
post #10 of 10
Do Starting Strength for a couple of months to get a good strength base. Nothing builds more muscle mass than heavy barbell compound movements so the deads, squats, and presses will build the muscle. The muscle, in turn, will increase your metabolism. Afterwards you can switch to a bodybuilding regime if you want those puffy bodybuilder muscles. "Getting ripped" is no more than having low body fat. The best way to achieve this is through diet (although increasing your activity level through cardio, walking, sports, etc. also helps). Abs are made in the kitchen. You want to run at a caloric deficit so calculate your BMR and count your calories. In sum, to achieve your goals you should be lifting heavy for a while to build that muscle base. Then you should diet to shed the fat and reveal your new muscle mass. If you want to do it slowly, I'm sure lower intensity weightlifting and cardio will give you more definition. However, you will still be weak. PS, you might want to rethink your low-fat diet. Fat is an essential macronutrient whereas carbs are not. Unless you're eating spinach and broccoli for those carbs (you're not), then you're likely eating empty calories. Low fat diets have been known to cause lethargy and depression. Eating very low fat diets will cause your body to conserve the fat you have. I was able to lose fat and build muscle while eating ~150g protein, 100-130g carbs, and ~100g fat. Not only that, but my energy was more constant and my food was more delicious. Fat is essential for proper brain and nerve function so it'll better support your muscle growth and cell development. Drop your outdated conceptions of nutrition and do some research.
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