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post #5311 of 17899
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Originally Posted by Johnny_5 View Post
We should work on some sort of formula to determine what a Jonathon H Newman score translates to when compared to actual wine critics.

I'm sure if the critics actually rated some of these wines, there would be no need for Jonathan H. Newman.
post #5312 of 17899
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post
I'm sure if the critics actually rated some of these wines, there would be no need for Jonathan H. Newman.

Exactly, that's why we need this formula! I'm guessing a 94 Johnathon Newman score = 88 pts from a well respected wine reviewer. Anyone know C++?
post #5313 of 17899
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Originally Posted by Johnny_5 View Post
Exactly, that's why we need this formula! I'm guessing a 94 Johnathon Newman score = 88 pts from a well respected wine reviewer. Anyone know C++?

I thought 88 was a solid B?
post #5314 of 17899
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Originally Posted by Cary Grant View Post
I think this is why I struggle liking French wines... largely I am certain it is because I am extremely limited in my experiences with French vino...

This is my status too. Also, it is easy to spend a fair bit of money on a bottle you really had no chance of liking. It's why I value the opinions of people like Matt, Manton, and Gome. I put together a case of French from K&L with some help from folks here, and both bottles I've tried so far were excellent. Also, a young Burg was brought to my attention and I liked it too. I have another I need to try soon.
post #5315 of 17899
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post
is it just me or has WTSO turned to crap? I feel like 80% of the product we have seen before while the other is an eclectic mix of random California stuff ranted 92 points by Jonathan H. Newman.

It's been pretty thin, but I thought of you last night. They had a 2001 Solaria Brunello 123 up last night for a while. But by the time I saw it it was already sold out. I bought 3 of them the last time they had them up back in March. Drank one and it was . Still have two around.
post #5316 of 17899
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Originally Posted by iammatt View Post
If you do like Beaucastel a lot, then you absolutely have to pick up some of the 2007 Coudolet de Beaucastel, which is their Cote de Rhone. It is a third of the price (very expensive for a CdR) but is fucking spectacular.
Coudoulet is a very interesting wine. As you said, it's a third of the price and the quality is often equal to Beaucastel's first wine. It's an anomaly of the AOC system that this wine is what it is. The vineyards are literally across the road from the vineyards from which the first wine is sourced, but the road is the boundary of the CdP AOC, hence it isn't from some other soil or climate, it's just a freakish thing. I probably have as much Coudoulet in the cellar as Beaucastel.
post #5317 of 17899
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Also, it is easy to spend a fair bit of money on a bottle you really had no chance of liking.
this hasn't been my experience with France, only with Burgundy. Still, it happens quite infrequently these days, a knowledgeable staff can really minimize the odds of a dud. K&L even has plenty of reviews, and although I very much disagree about buying on score, Burg is the one regions where it'll take a trusted sales person to get me to drop $50 on an 85WS

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Originally Posted by Mark from Plano View Post
It's been pretty thin, but I thought of you last night. They had a 2001 Solaria Brunello 123 up last night for a while. But by the time I saw it it was already sold out. I bought 3 of them the last time they had them up back in March. Drank one and it was . Still have two around.
yes I saw that in my email. The '05 is quite nice as well.





And I remember talk about restaurant mark-up a few days ago. I took a gander at Per Se's wine list, and holy crap Absolutely insane prices, they're selling a wine I got for $100 for $450, or a 2007 Didier Silex mag for $900. Their Burgs are fantastic and the menu is very well laid out ... but good lord. A small bright spot might be a 1999 premier cru Vosne-Romanee from Anne Gros for $395. And enjoy your Gros Richebourg, Mark, you'll have to drop $1200 for an '05 or $1,000 for an '07 or $2350 for a '95 Mag at Per Se.
post #5318 of 17899
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
This is my status too. Also, it is easy to spend a fair bit of money on a bottle you really had no chance of liking. It's why I value the opinions of people like Matt, Manton, and Gome. I put together a case of French from K&L with some help from folks here, and both bottles I've tried so far were excellent. Also, a young Burg was brought to my attention and I liked it too. I have another I need to try soon.
I was the same way until I moved to the bay area. I had a chance to visit Kermit Lynch and buy a case of stuff to try for a hundred bucks or so. Most were out of the park winners and you really get a sense of the diversity available in France and that the more you try, the harder it is to classify something as "French".
post #5319 of 17899
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post
this hasn't been my experience with France, only with Burgundy.

Full stop. Remember who you're talking to!

That's why I need advice.
post #5320 of 17899
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Full stop. Remember who you're talking to!

That's why I need advice.

rock more Bordeaux, the consistency is prime enough where if you're having bad bottle after bad bottle ... it's probably because Bordeaux just aint your thing.

But Burg is dreamy :love:
post #5321 of 17899
2003 Poggio Antico Brunello (Altero) on WTSO right now for $60 (down from $130).
post #5322 of 17899
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Originally Posted by Mark from Plano View Post
2003 Poggio Antico Brunello (Altero) on WTSO right now for $60 (down from $130).

spring for the '04. Both Manton and I agree it's fantastic and drinking well young. It shouldn't cost you anywhere near the $130 MSRP they list for the '03
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An old friend. Very smokey, cinnamon and cola on the nose, jammy, smokey, peppery, cherry on the palate. Very light tannin, just enough for structure, and enough acid to cut through any food on your tongue.

Just nice.
post #5324 of 17899
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post
spring for the '04. Both Manton and I agree it's fantastic and drinking well young. It shouldn't cost you anywhere near the $130 MSRP they list for the '03

And the 04 is much better than the 03 and will be better than the 05 as well.

As the 05's of many eye-tals are coming out I am finding that I may need to start hoarding 04's
post #5325 of 17899
the '05 Corino Barolo is sensational
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