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post #19681 of 20851
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

^ Oh, come on. Silver Oak is not that terrible.

Sorry, but it kind of is.
post #19682 of 20851
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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post

Sorry, but it kind of is.

I feel like hating Silver Oak is one of those things you do if you are in the wine cognoscenti to differentiate yourself from Cabernet loving foolish commoners. That is probably blunter than I mean to be, but I am not really sure how else to phrase it. I've never felt compelled to pour it down the drain and have had much worse stuff at a lot of catered events.

How does it go from overpriced / overrated by those who don't know wine to actually being considered objectively terrible?
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post #19684 of 20851
^ Vaguely remember that WSJ article.
post #19685 of 20851
Wasn't the highly commercial winery in Sideway, where Myles ended up quaffing the dump bucket, based on Silver Oak?
post #19686 of 20851
I think I probably feel about Col Solare the way CA people feel about Silver Oak - that it's spectacularly boring and has a terrible QPR (things which would make me never purchase it), but that it tastes good.
post #19687 of 20851
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

I feel like hating Silver Oak is one of those things you do if you are in the wine cognoscenti to differentiate yourself from Cabernet loving foolish commoners. That is probably blunter than I mean to be, but I am not really sure how else to phrase it. I've never felt compelled to pour it down the drain and have had much worse stuff at a lot of catered events.

How does it go from overpriced / overrated by those who don't know wine to actually being considered objectively terrible?
I think at one time, in the 80s and early 90s they were reasonably well made wines. But somewhere along the way Justin Meyer decided he wanted to make a lot of money and he really ramped up production, and I think quality became secondary. They have a reputation for buying subpar fruit and essentially making the wine in a lab. They've done a fantastic job building their brand, but I really don't care for the wine.
post #19688 of 20851
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Originally Posted by coolpapa View Post

I think at one time, in the 80s and early 90s they were reasonably well made wines. But somewhere along the way Justin Meyer decided he wanted to make a lot of money and he really ramped up production, and I think quality became secondary. They have a reputation for buying subpar fruit and essentially making the wine in a lab. They've done a fantastic job building their brand, but I really don't care for the wine.

Fair enough. That strikes me as a totally reasonable way to view it. I just find some of the anti Silver Oak rhetoric to be a bit much. But then bashing popular brands is sort of a SF pastime, well beyond the world of wine.
post #19689 of 20851
Oh. Ok. Damn. I've never even heard of the brand before seeing it and haven't seen it since. I only grabbed it because they were tasting, it wasn't bad, and my good friend shares the name so we thought it would be funny. That said, I think I paid around $45 CDN for it. frown.gif
post #19690 of 20851
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Originally Posted by CBrown85 View Post

Oh. Ok. Damn. I've never even heard of the brand before seeing it and haven't seen it since. I only grabbed it because they were tasting, it wasn't bad, and my good friend shares the name so we thought it would be funny. That said, I think I paid around $45 CDN for it. frown.gif

At that price I'm going to guess "Justification," or if they have one, an unnamed Cab bottling. I say drink and I bet odds are it's a nice wine to have with something hearty.
post #19691 of 20851
I just took a look at it- it's unnamed. I'll open it with a rack of lamb or a steak or something this spring. Appreciate the info, boys! Thanks!
post #19692 of 20851
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Originally Posted by coolpapa View Post

I think at one time, in the 80s and early 90s they were reasonably well made wines. But somewhere along the way Justin Meyer decided he wanted to make a lot of money and he really ramped up production, and I think quality became secondary. They have a reputation for buying subpar fruit and essentially making the wine in a lab. They've done a fantastic job building their brand, but I really don't care for the wine.

I used to buy it and still do when I see old bottles at K&L because my dad loves it. I think 1997 was the last decent vintage. I had a 91 the last time I was in CA and it was very good.

Piob, no, the SO winery is nothing like that one in the movie. Plus, they only have two wines, the Napa Cab and the Alexander Valley Cab. No whites or anything else.
post #19693 of 20851
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Originally Posted by CBrown85 View Post

I think the only "I have so much I need to check a database to see what's in stock" are mp3s from the early 2000s, so kudos.

Been getting into cab franc lately. Any budget recommendations?

It will cost a fortune but Clos Rougeard is the best Cab Franc I've ever had, except Cheval Blanc.
post #19694 of 20851
Frass Canyon was the fake name of that big winery in Sideways. I wouldn't normally remember that, but I remember watching the movie with the director's comments on and he noted getting that name from his exterminator or something. I guess Frass is the technical term for bug poop.



Glad we now all know what Frass is. We're learning today.
post #19695 of 20851
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Piob, no, the SO winery is nothing like that one in the movie. Plus, they only have two wines, the Napa Cab and the Alexander Valley Cab. No whites or anything else.

Ah, thanks, good to know. I figured it was due to the huge tanker trucks of juice that figure prominently in that scene as everyone seems to think SO buys juice on an industrial level like that.

Edit: Then again I'm sure they're far from the only winery that does this...it's just they've got such name recognition.
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