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post #17626 of 17853
I would imagine if well stored most Cndp can good for quite a while and still be very drinkable, even the drink now's.
post #17627 of 17853
You're probably correct but I based my opinion on two things.

First, I recently had a 1997 bottle of this. It was dying, on life support. The 1997 was WS WOTF in 1999 or Y2K so you know it was a good vintage. Second is this did not have a lot of fruit. It was very balanced and all I can see is the fruit component going faster than something else and this wonderful wine coming out of balance.

Again, just IMO, and there are several folks here with far more experience with aged wines so I'll bow to anything they say. And then drink that 07 now. wink.gif
post #17628 of 17853
97 wasn't a good year in CdP.
post #17629 of 17853
Any good 07 should have minimum a decade left.
post #17630 of 17853
Listen to Cool and isstill not me. They're experience is far, far greater than mine.
post #17631 of 17853
I bought a fair bit of '07 Chateauneuf - the Vieux Telegraphes are great and will live for very long (close in style to La Nerthe fwiw). I'm finding Beaucastel a bit overblown at the moment and prefer their earlier, funkier, vintages.
post #17632 of 17853

I've read some good reviews of '09 and '10... don't seem to be quite at the level of the '07s, but that vintage is harder for me to find/buy.

I'm stocking up on '10s right now. Regarding mid- to upper range CdP, I find there are few other regions in terms of value, that can match.

post #17633 of 17853
07' is ok, 05' is awesome and allegedly 09' is the best ever. 10' seems very close to 09' but that is just my layman take on it.
post #17634 of 17853
2010 is THE recent vintage to buy from Burgundy and Rhone.
post #17635 of 17853
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The 1997 was WS WOTF in 1999 or Y2K so you know it was a good vintage.
OK...
post #17636 of 17853
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Originally Posted by Concordia View Post

OK...

Yeah, yeah, pile on. I also seem to have a failing memory as it was a 98 that got #7 in 2000.
post #17637 of 17853
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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post

2010 is THE recent vintage to buy from Burgundy and Rhone.

How about Bordeaux? I have had some amazing 2010's recently. Seem pretty close to 2009, imo.
post #17638 of 17853
Bordeaux very good as well, but just needs sooooo much time. I can drink Village Burgundy and Rhones like St. Joseph and Crozes Hermitage young. Bordeaux just needs so much time for me that I hardly ever touch it before 25 years.
post #17639 of 17853
I loooooove old Bord more than most, but I drink a ton of sub $15 Bord within five years of the vintage. There are some '10s that are just fine right now. They were just not made to age, and priced accordingly. I doubt these low end bottles would even last 25 years. Most can make it 10, but I don't think they get a great deal better.

IME with these cheapies (I have sampled very few upper end '09s or '10s), the '09s are better. Softer, more ready now. Sadly, they're hard to find now. '10s are still everywhere and the '11s are starting to take over. The '11s I've had so far have been pretty meh. For "off" vintages, seems to me like '06-'08 were all better.
post #17640 of 17853
What's the consent on '11 CdP (Vieux Télégraphe)? Obviously still very young, but I've bought it because it was relatively cheap. I'd just like to know whether I should not be overly dismissive towards Vieux Télégraphe just because said bottle doesn't provide.

Had a Izadi Selección 2005 (Rioja) today. Pretty good already, but can definitely use a few more years of cellaring.
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