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most are clueless. Wine Spectator's "top 10 MOST EXCITING wines of the year" usually reflects this. Then the market prices for the top-10 in this list usually reflects the cluelessness of consumers as well.
post #16217 of 18181
The article probably goes a bit far (I think overrated is a better way to describe wine experts than clueless), but I agree that too much emphasis is often given to what so-called "expert" opinion is. People tend to like to understand things and wine is no different, so it makes sense that there's an industry out there to interpret it and review it for consumers. I do think there's a lot of cool history in the wine world and that having a bunch of people spend their careers discussing wine is useful to the consumer but things should be taken with a grain of salt. Going with expert opinion is better than picking wine out at random IMO and I do think there is a corelation in general between quality and price. That said, there's no substitute for trying things yourself and figuring out what you and your friends like. I find reviews and "expert" opinions much more useful when looking at diamond in the rough cheap wines vs. trying to convince me that I need to spend a lot to get good wine.
post #16218 of 18181
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I realize its a buzzfeed article but

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/10-facts-that-prove-wine-experts-are-completely-clueless

I followed the first two source links. Both are bogus links. The first just goes to a page describing the Journal of Wine Economics, and while the second link does link to a study, the study in no way reflects what #2 states.
post #16219 of 18181
I tried to follow the source links too but no luck
post #16220 of 18181
Just discovered this thread.

Remnants from a pinot tasting this weekend. 5 were excellent, except for Peay which was a different style and not as enjoyable.

post #16221 of 18181
Nice lineup

post #16222 of 18181
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Just discovered this thread.

Remnants from a pinot tasting this weekend. 5 were excellent, except for Peay which was a different style and not as enjoyable.


A nice array. What did you find off putting about the Peay?
post #16223 of 18181
The Peay was a lighter style. No earthiness, instead a very bright taste, even after a couple of hours. After drinking the others and then circling back to the Peay, it was almost candy sweet. I was really surprised as in the past I have liked Peay, but a side by side comparison can be very revealing.

This tasting was assembled to expand my horizons into top notch Sonoma and good burgundies. BTW all the wines came from Amanti Vino in Montclair, NJ and they were great help in advising and supplying.
post #16224 of 18181
That's weird to me. I think Peay is incredible. DuMol is like Pinot on steroids to me.
post #16225 of 18181
I too have liked Peay, in fact I've visited their wine production facility which was a great experience. This bottle was from the Pomarium vineyard, a first for me. The difference was only noticeable in side by side comparison with the other 5 wines, all of which had a very different taste profile.
post #16226 of 18181

I am in a temporary period of needing to be very thrifty, but the other day wanted some wine and did not have access to my captain, so I stopped at some random store I saw and headed for the Italian section as pasta was in the offing and a decent Nero or Sangiovese can be very inexpensive. I wound up with a Montepulciano d' Abruzzo from Capestrano (I think I've had their Chianti and hate it), but this was really great for it's $8 price tag. Remarkable.

 

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most are clueless. Wine Spectator's "top 10 MOST EXCITING wines of the year" usually reflects this. Then the market prices for the top-10 in this list usually reflects the cluelessness of consumers as well.


I was reading a WS in a hospital waiting room today, I recall a tasting of some Musigny. It was 5k. I did not read it.

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The Peay was a lighter style. No earthiness, instead a very bright taste, even after a couple of hours. After drinking the others and then circling back to the Peay, it was almost candy sweet. I was really surprised as in the past I have liked Peay, but a side by side comparison can be very revealing.

This tasting was assembled to expand my horizons into top notch Sonoma and good burgundies. BTW all the wines came from Amanti Vino in Montclair, NJ and they were great help in advising and supplying.

Huh. I've never come across a candy sweet Peay. In fact, Vanessa tends to build them sort of brawny so you need to give them far more age than a typical Sonoma, plus they are in northern Sonoma and additionally they are part of that passel of winemakers in a pact to develop wines with finesse. Interesting.
post #16228 of 18181
To clarify, the Peay seemed sweet only when compared to the other 5 wines. Tasting it in isolation did not show this (at least to me, and I'm not an expert taster.)
post #16229 of 18181
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To clarify, the Peay seemed sweet only when compared to the other 5 wines. Tasting it in isolation did not show this (at least to me, and I'm not an expert taster.)

That's still interesting. I mean, you tasted what you tasted and that's valid, but I have always found Peay to be much leaner than most RRVs and leaning towards French style. I had an 04 Peay Syrah last Friday, can't remember if it was La Bruma or Les Titans, but it was full of barnyard upon open and a pretty muscular wine.

Nice line up and glad you posted it.
post #16230 of 18181
My name finally came up on the Carlisle list and I'm supposed to get an allocation next week. Anyone have thoughts on must-haves, or other general thoughts on the winery that would be useful? I have only had a couple of their bottles and those were ~4-5 years ago (about when I signed up for the list).
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