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post #14716 of 18231
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Originally Posted by audiophilia View Post

I find the opposite, especially Rhones. Les Figues, Bila Haut, Valeria, Galaves, and on and on. Super wines for around a tenner.

Having just posted a pic of a value French, of course there are wines to be found but my point is there is more overpriced stuff than nuggets. When I was buying for restaurants years back I was offered some quality cheap stuff but it would never sell. That cheap stuff, while cheap relative to the more famous regions is now 2x and 4x the price it was back then. Part if this is due to more educated buyers spreading their purchases, partly currency, partly what the word 'France' adds to a price.

Also, we all have different interpretations of what value is, one man's $10 bottle is another man's $40. Nice thing about this thread is it helps find stuff.


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Originally Posted by tattersall View Post

I agree it can be a minefield in some regions but disagree strongly with your view that value wines are not to be found. Pretty much anything from Kermit, Louis/Dressner or Neal Rosenthal is going to be good and the majority of their portfolios are reasonably priced.

That is not my view, what I said was "value in general is outside of France"

I buy Kermit Lynch regularly, and they are reasonably price compared to some other outlets but I still find it expensive. The best way to buy for value is just bottled and sit on it. Most wine buyers want something that evening's dinner party and don't have storage or patience.
Edited by idfnl - 12/9/12 at 5:13am
post #14717 of 18231
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

Champagne tasting. Highlights include the 2000 Dom Perignon Rose, which was really spectacular, 2002 Taittiner CdC, 2004 CdC Rose, 2000 Krug Collection, and the 2005 Cristal.

I never understood the love of Dom Perignon until one of my friends brought over a vintage bottle, it was spectacular.
post #14718 of 18231
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

I never understood the love of Dom Perignon until one of my friends brought over a vintage bottle, it was spectacular.

Dom is one of my favorites. The 2000 was a bit meh, but other vintages are still excellent. The '96 Oeno and '00 Rose rank up there as some of the most excellent Champs that Manton and I have had.
post #14719 of 18231
Mondays-Thursdays, I am a value wine person. And 90% of my purchases are France or Italy, plenty of values to be found in both countries. Not California.
post #14720 of 18231
"Value pricing" and "Left Coast" do not mix well. I find it nearly impossible to find a Left Coast wine for under $20 that's as good as $10 southern Rhone.
post #14721 of 18231
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

"Value pricing" and "Left Coast" do not mix well. I find it nearly impossible to find a Left Coast wine for under $20 that's as good as $10 southern Rhone.

This. So true.
post #14722 of 18231
between $30-60, or some other arbitrary range that's above $30ish, I find that it's more of a style preference when it comes to Cali vs. others. There's well made wines from all countries in that range. But under $20, I find a huge amount of Cali reds to be gross.
post #14723 of 18231
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

between $30-60, or some other arbitrary range that's above $30ish, I find that it's more of a style preference when it comes to Cali vs. others. There's well made wines from all countries in that range. But under $20, I find a huge amount of Cali reds to be gross.

One thing I will say in defense of Left Coast pricing is that price is a proxy for quality to a far higher extent than it is from France. Pretty hard to get something for $75 from the US that is not quality but I've found pretty easy to spend $100 and get a Burg that is next to undrinkable.
post #14724 of 18231
I'd agree with most all except for the last point.
post #14725 of 18231
You're an educated Burg consumer. For someone like me, who's not a fan of heavy brett, it's pretty easy to spend money on a Burg I'm going to find not very good.
post #14726 of 18231
IMO, the most "dangerous" price point for red Burg is $20-50, and this is where knowing a few good names can be key. Above that, I've found it much less dangerous.
post #14727 of 18231
also, from a few days ago. Not value plays.







sipping during the rain right now. It's ok.


for later. Had a bottle last night, but it was corked.
post #14728 of 18231
Speaking of Rhône values, the Belleruche '10 is pretty good too after some breathing. Maybe a tad too much alcohol but overall nice.

post #14729 of 18231
Spain is awesome for value. Drinking a Ribeira Sacra from Alodio for example. $20.
post #14730 of 18231
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

IMO, the most "dangerous" price point for red Burg is $20-50, and this is where knowing a few good names can be key. Above that, I've found it much less dangerous.


Would have to agree with this. $12, eh. But when you get crap for $45 you're pissed.

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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

between $30-60, or some other arbitrary range that's above $30ish, I find that it's more of a style preference when it comes to Cali vs. others. There's well made wines from all countries in that range. But under $20, I find a huge amount of Cali reds to be gross.

I haven't bought a California wine in eons. Wouldn't even know where to start. Too many fruit bombs.


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Originally Posted by Cary Grant View Post

Spain is awesome for value. Drinking a Ribeira Sacra from Alodio for example. $20.

Definitely. Save for Rioja which has gone the way of Chianti where every piece of shit with that name now gets a price.

La Manacha and Priorat are two good value plays right now.
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