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Plus you'll notice a ton of (very good) rose out there as a lot of people consigned large percentages of their red crop to rose because they were convinced it wouldn't ripen. I think Peay Vineyards in Sonoma in the Fort Ross/Seaview/Petaluma Gap area didn't make several of their normal bottlings, especially their Syrahs, and I don't think Arnot-Roberts got a crop at all from Clary Ranch.

I think some people made some very good wines in '10-'11, but they are a lot leaner. A vintage like that shows a lot about how intelligently or diligently people are handling things in the vineyard - like '10 in the Mosel or '11 in Virginia. I was looking at the stats on a bottle of the 2010 Demuth Vineyard Chardonnay from Lioco, which is Anderson Valley on the label but essential its the same conditions as Mendocino Ridge AVA. It has like 12.3% alcohol, 8.5-9 grams/liter of acidity, and a pH of 3.38. Those are crazy numbers on a California Chardonnay. I've also noticed some very low pH's on 2010 Pinot Noirs that I've seen. A lot of aromatically pretty wines though.
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I am on a rose kick but I have not tried any CA roses apart from Bonny Doon, which I can't get here. I should branch out. Whenever I think of CA rose I think of White Zin and then I puke. It's a huge mental block.
post #13458 of 17875
I had a Turnbull rose last weekend. Was very nice.

I'm not sure how much $$ it was, but if it's under $20 then I'd say seek it out.
post #13459 of 17875
Please give it another go, there are some great ones being made. Bedrock Wine's Ode to Lulu Mourvedre rose and Lioco's Indica rose are the two best American rose's I've had to date. Ridge made a rose last year as well from Zin and Mourvedre, and I haven't had any yet, but I heard that the Pinot Noir roses from people up in Mendocino/Sonoma are of exceptional quality in '10 and/or '11.'


More information for interested parties:

http://www.sfgate.com/wine/thirst/article/After-a-star-moment-ros-wines-get-serious-3588773.php

http://www.sfgate.com/wine/wineselections/article/A-bounty-of-2011-ros-The-Chronicle-recommends-3588775.php
post #13460 of 17875
Peay has a second label, Cep, which includes a rose. It will no doubt be overpriced but I tried a rose when I was at L'Aventure last year too and it was pretty darn good.

I wonder if we're going to see a bunch of saignee rose as they try and concentrate the main bottlings?
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Peay has a second label, Cep, which includes a rose. It will no doubt be overpriced but I tried a rose when I was at L'Aventure last year too and it was pretty darn good.
I wonder if we're going to see a bunch of saignee rose as they try and concentrate the main bottlings?

I'm sure some of it will be done that way, but I hope not too much. I'm philosophically opposed to saignee rose, but I think that tactic works better with pinot noir than with others.
post #13462 of 17875
On the domestic front Edmunds St John Bonne Jolly (gamay) and Copain (PN) both make really nice roses that are on par with Bedrock's Ode to Lulu (mourvedre). My favorite I have had this summer would be the Umathum Rosa (combination of zweigelt, St. Lauren, and blaufrankisch) from Austria. It seems Crush is the only place that carries it.
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I'm not 100% sure but I think 09 was the first vintage after they lost their original winemaker, Kris Curran. I'm 99% sure 09 was the first vintage without him and that probably accounts for the pricing along with a generally softer market for high end CA wine in the last few years. Softer, not soft, but enough to have a little impact when you have other changes going on at your winery. I know I passed on my Sea Smoke this year as I think it's just too overpriced for what you get these days. Also, the owner put something stupid on the label recently, "Grand Cru" or something.

Yup. http://enobytes.com/2011/10/18/california-grand-cru/

I'm sitting on three each of 09 Ten
and Southing... Mostly on your previous rec's and stumbling on them below list. I've yet to drink any. Sitting for another two years or so.
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post #13465 of 17875
Would an '03 Didier Dagueneau Silex be over the hill? A local wine shop has them for about $60.
post #13466 of 17875
nope, should be great. I had the '04 back in May and it was alive and kickin'
post #13467 of 17875
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Would an '03 Didier Dagueneau Silex be over the hill? A local wine shop has them for about $60.

Odds are good it's fading but not 100%. If anyone ever made a Sauv. Blanc that would last a decade it's him. Others here might have more insight.
post #13468 of 17875
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Would an '03 Didier Dagueneau Silex be over the hill? A local wine shop has them for about $60.
That was a really hot year, so if there's a Silex that might mature quicker than most, this vintage is a good candidate.
post #13469 of 17875
2010 Louis Chavy Pinot Noir Bourgogne Alfio Moriconi Selection tonight.
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I've had the Astéroîde and it will last forever.  I agree that of all the producers, his wines will last the longest.  RIP Didier.

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