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post #16 of 20
Benecios, First of all, thank you for sharing these pictures with us. Both shoes are very pretty, especially the Langton (edit). these shoes seem to be new models that even I haven't seen ... and they seem to be rejects from Northampton - I recognize the grey 'reject'-box. Where did you get them and what is their last number? The Sutton (edit) looks like 8000 last, the Langton (edit) seems 7000, unless it's the one medwards described. It fits his description rather well. Thanks for your help.
post #17 of 20
Interesting note - I have a pair of 'reject' Lobb Vintage 2004 (in Pepper Calf like yours, Sysdoc, but the polishing is not as nice...). I took them to Sky Valet for taps, and asked the non-shoemaking brother to look them over and let me know if he saw defects. He saw none. But when I returned, he had shown them to his brother, who said that he felt that the last was not properly balanced, and the toes were too high. So...caveat emptor when looking @ R shoes in new styles - apparently it can take 50 attempts for them to get the last just right. You therefore run the risk of getting a shoe that is not well-balanced and won't wear perfectly. That said, despite this purported flaw, the shoes are fairly comfortable and I am quite happy with them. This is certainly not a fatal problem (I am sure that the truly botched shoes don't make it to Northampton), but it is nonetheless something to think about.
post #18 of 20
The Sutton(with the toe brogueing)is on the 7000 last and the Langton(cap-toe style) is on the new 1105 last,which IMO comes up half a size small.
I get all my Lobb's through a friend of a friend,I do not know how or where he obtains though.However I have been assured that all the shoes he supplies are not rejects(maybe they are as you say and thats why he can do me such a good deal).
If he does get them from the factory shop he must call in every day because I have been on several occasions and never bought a single pair because the selection has been so poor.
Finally I thought that all Lobb reject shoes were stamped with an R,if they are not how do you know if they are in fact reject shoes?
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by benecios
The Sutton(with the toe brogueing)is on the 7000 last and the Langton(cap-toe style) is on the new 1105 last,which IMO comes up half a size small. I get all my Lobb's through a friend of a friend,I do not know how or where he obtains though.However I have been assured that all the shoes he supplies are not rejects(maybe they are as you say and thats why he can do me such a good deal). If he does get them from the factory shop he must call in every day because I have been on several occasions and never bought a single pair because the selection has been so poor. Finally I thought that all Lobb reject shoes were stamped with an R,if they are not how do you know if they are in fact reject shoes?
Ah, the Langton is the one without the brogueing. That's the one I like so much. Well, I've got to say that Medwards described the new last and shoe model very well. The Langton looks exactly the way I had pictured it in my mind. The Sutton is pretty too of course. I thought it's got some kind of rectangular toe shape, which is why I suggested the 8000 last. I checked your picture again and realized that it's the actual lighting that makes it appear that way. In regards to the reject issue: Normally (meaning there are rare exceptions) JL rejects have not only the 'R' stamped inside the shoe, but they are also lacking the embossing "John Lobb / Made in England" underneath. There are ways to remove the 'R' and I thought that in your picture of the Langton (which is a bit blurry, actually) the lining looks as if someone had manipulated it. Usually, the 'R' is stamped more or less closely beside the Model name,last number and size. I am sure that there are ways to do the embossing as well, but that would require quite a bit of an effort. TKDKid doesn't like me speculating on that ... Anyway, I'd say that the boxes are a dead giveaway. In the shop, you get the original JL-boxes with the 'S'-stamped and properly embossed old stock shoes only. The rejects always come in those grey boxes with white stickers on them saying the name, size, last and production number.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by sysdoc
TKDKid doesn't like me speculating on that ...
Speculate away - I'm happy so long as you keep posting pics of your shoes.

Re your Sandons, I think the toe shape is quite nice, but I'm not so keen on the stitching around the first set of eyelets...?
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