Originally Posted by benecios
The Sutton(with the toe brogueing)is on the 7000 last and the Langton(cap-toe style) is on the new 1105 last,which IMO comes up half a size small. I get all my Lobb's through a friend of a friend,I do not know how or where he obtains though.However I have been assured that all the shoes he supplies are not rejects(maybe they are as you say and thats why he can do me such a good deal). If he does get them from the factory shop he must call in every day because I have been on several occasions and never bought a single pair because the selection has been so poor. Finally I thought that all Lobb reject shoes were stamped with an R,if they are not how do you know if they are in fact reject shoes?
Ah, the Langton
is the one without the brogueing. That's the one I like so much. Well, I've got to say that Medwards described the new last and shoe model very well. The Langton looks exactly the way I had pictured it in my mind. The Sutton is pretty too of course. I thought it's got some kind of rectangular toe shape, which is why I suggested the 8000 last. I checked your picture again and realized that it's the actual lighting that makes it appear that way. In regards to the reject issue: Normally (meaning there are rare exceptions) JL rejects have not only the 'R' stamped inside the shoe, but they are also lacking the embossing "John Lobb / Made in England" underneath. There are ways to remove the 'R' and I thought that in your picture of the Langton (which is a bit blurry, actually) the lining looks as if someone had manipulated it. Usually, the 'R' is stamped more or less closely beside the Model name,last number and size. I am sure that there are ways to do the embossing as well, but that would require quite a bit of an effort. TKDKid doesn't like me speculating on that ...
Anyway, I'd say that the boxes are a dead giveaway. In the shop, you get the original JL-boxes with the 'S'-stamped and properly embossed old stock shoes only. The rejects always come in those grey boxes with white stickers on them saying the name, size, last and production number.