Originally Posted by Bouji
Ozzy wine is:
3. For lack of a better word, fake
I don't call it elitisim, I call it personal taste. Give me a 3 pound L-R over a 40 pound Ozzy Shiraz any day.
You say that Bougogne tastes nothing like it smells, and I totally agree with you. If I wanted the wine to actually taste like red berries and lavender, I would drink New World wine. But this is why New World wine is IMO fake. The aroma, or more properly the nose, is not supposed to have an effect on the taste. This is not wine, this is a flavored alcoholic beverage. Wine is supposed to taste like the grape(s) from which it is made. The nose is just another part of enjoying the wine, in France and Lebanon, and to a lesser extent Italy and Spain, the nose is an effect of terroir, Lebanese wine reeks of Cedar, L-Rs of Rosemary, New World wine seems to have no relation to terroir at all, and this IMO is not even wine. True, some French wine can be a very aquired taste, bone dry, lacking any lusture, but then is that not the case with any fine food? Especially French, take Foie Gras, Snails, Moules, etc.
In a way, a good Aussie wine (like a 1990 Grange Penfolds, which I have drunk before) is like a Wagyu Beef hamburger, with Pie D'Anglous cheese, and Wiltshire Bacon, its all well and good, but when you put that much money and quality produce into it, who wants to eat a Hamburger?
Cheap Aussie wine IMO is not drinkable, again I will say it, when I can get a good L-R for 3 pounds, why do I want a Aussie wine for 10 pounds which I cannot drink.
I actually like very dry wines, like a young Barolo, you find me an Aussie wine like this, and I'm all ears.
You're right Bouji, it's not elitism, it's not even "personal taste"; it's just plain wrong and ridiculous! Bouji, if you are going to make gross and vast generalisations and patently absurd statements like you have above (misconstrued as "fact") then go ahead but do not expect an intelligent reply. You yourself admitted earlier you have had little experience with Australian wine, and only at cheap end. Now apparently you have had 90 Grange too. Well, there are 2,300 wineries in Australia. How many of these wineries have you tasted? I would give your argument more "credence" if you actually had some semblance of experience with Australian wine, which you clearly lack. Australia does not make a singular style as you would have it. it is just as diverse as any wine region in the world. I'm not being aggressive or overtly critical, just flummoxed that you would make the statements you have with so little experience of the Australian wines. Don't even get me started on Terroir (Australia shows no terroir? What a joke! Tell that to Barossa shiraz makers, Margaret River cabernet, Hunter Valley semillon, Clare Valley shiraz, Coonawarra cabernet, etc I have been drinking wine for over 25 years from around the world and worked in the industry for 7 years and Australia shows telltale terroir as good as any other gloabl region). Oh, I am Lebanese so I am more than familiar with that wine such as Musar, Kefraya etc. in fact I have Musar back to the 1970s! But if you simply don't like the aussie wines you have tasted, then that is fine. Just as I despise and find undrinkable the cheap L-R which you like (obviously faulty but, aha, its the terroir say the french!). Just please don't not tarnish the whole country's wine reputation with the same brush given your very limited experience.