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post #61 of 65
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Originally Posted by JLibourel
How can you say that D'Annunzio "fought on the side of genocide"? He died in 1936, as I recall. Even in the early years ....

I will defer to you on the history. However, I, along with many people I think, here "Italian Fascist" and immediately think of WWII and Italy being on the same side as Hitler and the Nazis. So if this guy died pre-WWII fine, he wasn't directly involved--except of course that he was part of a political movement that eventually (very soon after his death) supported the Nazi regime.

bob
post #62 of 65
From a military standpoint, isn't much of what went wrong for the Germans in Africa and the Mediterranean during WWII directly attributable to their alliance with Italy, who really just had a poor showing all-around during the war?

I suppose they did alright in Ethiopia, but that really is about it, right?

One might argue the Italians were more of a help to the Allies before they actually switched allegiances.
post #63 of 65
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Originally Posted by PhiloVance
From a military standpoint, isn't much of what went wrong for the Germans in Africa and the Mediterranean during WWII directly attributable to their alliance with Italy, who really just had a poor showing all-around during the war?

I suppose they did alright in Ethiopia, but that really is about it, right?

One might argue the Italians were more of a help to the Allies before they actually switched allegiances.

The problem with the Italian army is that it's hard to engage the enemy when you're both running in the same direction...

Jon.
post #64 of 65
LK's point about Hannah Arendt is well-taken. The Origins of Totalitarianism is, to my mind, a truly underrated masterpiece of political philosophy and historical inquiry. Everyone should read it.
post #65 of 65
Right. So I believe the Germans walked into a situation where the Afrika Corps was sent in to reinforce the Italian Army but essentially became the primary Axis military force in Africa. I think the situation only magnifies Rommel's prestige, because he was able to do so much with so little. He apparently thought highly of only one Italian general, I forget his name.

The Germans aren't entirele devoid of guilt though. Hitler never thought of Afrika as more than a sideshow to the real conflict in Russia. It was in Afrika where he issued the first of his silly hold to the last man orders, which is apparently was finally convinced Rommel that the man was a lunatic.

Rommel's grand strategy was to drive east through russia, through the middle east, and link up with german forces from the eastern front fighting in the caucasus. Had Hitler ever given him enough men, air support, and gasoline, who knows what would have happened?

I still think the Italians are to blame.
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