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post #61 of 160
I feel like a minimum income would shift burden from employers to tax-payers. Is the main reason for this to pay less for labor/increase profits? I'm incredibly weary on a lot of the opinion pieces from the Globe and Mail. Does anyone have further reading?
post #62 of 160
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I feel like a minimum income would shift burden from employers to tax-payers. Is the main reason for this to pay less for labor/increase profits? I'm incredibly weary on a lot of the opinion pieces from the Globe and Mail. Does anyone have further reading?

I'm incredibly weary of people being so predictable.
post #63 of 160
You guys really do spend a lot of time waxing the irrelevant. Palin is coming, look busy.
post #64 of 160
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Now, you do realize there is a whole black market where food stamps are sold for cash, with the people doing the conversion, skimming off a very material portion of the value?
I went into a convience food store in Oakland ... sometime back in the 90s. The person ahead of me in line handed the clerk foodstamps. Not having ever seen food stapms ... I assumed it to be foreign currency ... which was about to be rejected.

When the clerk took it without hesitating, I asked what it was. The woman in line turned around and said, "Now don't tell me you have never seen food stamps ... the government sends them to everybody." I replied, "I don't get them; in fact, I have to send the government a check. The government makes me pay them." She shot back, "Honey, you must of got some bad stuff. I ain't ever heard that kinda crazy talk before."
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I went into a convience food store in Oakland ... sometime back in the 90s. The person ahead of me in line handed the clerk foodstamps. Not having ever seen food stapms ... I assumed it to be foreign currency ... which was about to be rejected. When the clerk took it without hesitating, I asked what it was. The woman in line turned around and said, "Now don't tell me you have never seen food stamps ... the government sends them to everybody." I replied, "I don't get them; in fact, I have to send the government a check. The government makes me pay them." She shot back, "Honey, you must of got some bad stuff. I ain't ever heard that kinda crazy talk before."
It's obvious that the woman was Chinese based on your recollection of the conversation.
post #66 of 160
nvm
post #67 of 160
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It's obvious that the woman was Chinese based on your recollection of the conversation.
No. You wrong. Chinese lady would no use articles and make certain other mistake.
post #68 of 160
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I have nothing worthwhile to add.

Didn't think so.
post #69 of 160
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I feel like a minimum income would shift burden from employers to tax-payers. Is the main reason for this to pay less for labor/increase profits? I'm incredibly weary on a lot of the opinion pieces from the Globe and Mail. Does anyone have further reading?
We decide that these people deserve money not because their job stacking toilet paper in the five and dime is worth more than a dollar an hour and they are being ripped by the man, but because we think that people in our society who work should get a certain amount of money. Why wouldn't this fall on the back of the taxpayer? Why would you like to have somebody else (a small business owner) be forced to pay for what you want? That seems pretty selfish, no?
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We decide that these people deserve money not because their job stacking toilet paper in the five and dime is worth more than a dollar an hour and they are being ripped by the man, but because we think that people in our society who work should get a certain amount of money. Why wouldn't this fall on the back of the taxpayer? Why would you like to have somebody else (a small business owner) be forced to pay for what you want? That seems pretty selfish, no?

To be honest, I'm intrigued by the idea of this basic minimum income thing, but at first glance it seems like the government is subsidizing business through super-cheap labor. And it would be a different issue if it were mainly small business owners who were reaping the benefits, but I predict that it's the large businesses that have the highest %age of their workforce as min. wage. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea, but, honestly, this kind of works against the whole 'trickle-down' (for lack of a better term) economics that I'm so used to hearing from pro-business advocates. The money that these companies save from having to pay the already sub-standard minimum wage will just be pocketed and returned to shareholders. It's not because business is full of bad people, but because business is doing what it's supposed to be doing. Just wanted more info s'all.
post #71 of 160
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To be honest, I'm intrigued by the idea of this basic minimum income thing, but at first glance it seems like the government is subsidizing business through super-cheap labor. And it would be a different issue if it were mainly small business owners who were reaping the benefits, but I predict that it's the large businesses that have the highest %age of their workforce as min. wage. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea, but, honestly, this kind of works against the whole 'trickle-down' (for lack of a better term) economics that I'm so used to hearing from pro-business advocates. The money that these companies save from having to pay the already sub-standard minimum wage will just be pocketed and returned to shareholders. It's not because business is full of bad people, but because business is doing what it's supposed to be doing. Just wanted more info s'all.

In other words you're about ready to drink the Kool Aide. Min. Income is Matt's biggest contribution to SF's political discourse, and is truly an issue that reaches across the aisle.
post #72 of 160
i may have missed this but what stops an employer whos employees are on minimum guaranteed income from reducing its wages knowing the government will pick up the short fall and its employees will be no worse off?

wouldnt there be little incentive to move from a $3/hr job to a $6/hr job if the government was still making up the shortfall? especially if the $6/hr job was cleaning toilets and the $3/hr job was more apealing.
post #73 of 160
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In other words you're about ready to drink the Kool Aide. Min. Income is Matt's biggest contribution to SF's political discourse, and is truly an issue that reaches across the aisle.

I'm just interested in hearing the argument, is all. Not ready to write a letter to my MLA.
post #74 of 160
MGI reduces the supply of labor, MW reduces demand. great news for the "durrrrr create jobz" crowd: we already have both!
post #75 of 160
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Didn't think so.

As you're the expert at posts that have no value, I will accept your verdict.
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