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post #46 of 160
I would prefer the MGI for administrative simplicity alone.

Also, Matt, those big 'L' Libertarians didn't sound so bad the way you described them!
post #47 of 160
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So you would reward people merely for getting older? Like a nation wide union?

16 year olds who get their first part time jobs have no idea how little money they're making. They think they're the shit on campus cause they have a job. I think beyond a certain age, the minimum wage shouldn't increase any further. I guess I didn't elaborate far enough. I wouldn't reward people for simply getting older, I would simply try to prevent 16-18 year olds from dropping out of school because they think they can make more money by working more hours. Lots of high school kids don't think far enough.
post #48 of 160
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I prefer the minimum guaranteed income.
I noticed you didn't vote. I expect more of you ... not that I have a right to such an expectation.
post #49 of 160
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16 year olds who get their first part time jobs have no idea how little money they're making.
You obviously don't know my nephew.
post #50 of 160
I understand the libertarian problems with it, but is the minimum wag doing that much damage? I'd have figured it'd be pretty low down the list of big L libertarian priorities.
post #51 of 160
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16 year olds who get their first part time jobs have no idea how little money they're making. They think they're the shit on campus cause they have a job. I think beyond a certain age, the minimum wage shouldn't increase any further. I guess I didn't elaborate far enough. I wouldn't reward people for simply getting older, I would simply try to prevent 16-18 year olds from dropping out of school because they think they can make more money by working more hours. Lots of high school kids don't think far enough.

Which is why they aren't considered adults and are subject to their parents' supervision.

Even ignoring for a moment the fact that minimum wages are bad policy in general, the government has no business using wage incentives as a replacement for parenting.
post #52 of 160
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Which is why they aren't considered adults and are subject to their parents' supervision.

Even ignoring for a moment the fact that minimum wages are bad policy in general, the government has no business using wage incentives as a replacement for parenting.
Why not? I am not saying that it is a good idea, but it is certainly more reasonable than a lot of the regulations which interfere with and/or replace parenting.
post #53 of 160
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I noticed you didn't vote. I expect more of you ... not that I have a right to such an expectation.

I have now voted.
post #54 of 160
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Why not? I am not saying that it is a good idea, but it is certainly more reasonable than a lot of the regulations which interfere with and/or replace parenting.

I agree that, as parental-replacement regulations go, it's quite reasonable, but there's a good chance I'd object to the whole lot, up to and incluing an age-based minimum wage.

If I had a menu of these types of policies, and no "none of the above" option, I'd probably choose the minimum wage, but I wouldn't be happy about it.
post #55 of 160
I think the closest we ever were to a MGI was during the Nixon administration. It was one of Moynihan's pet projects and he ended up convincing Nixon and Co. that it was a good plan. http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/10/0...an-income.html Abe Ribicoff wrote a really splendid review of Moynihan's MGI book. It was in the New Republic and if anyone wants a copy PM me.
post #56 of 160
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I agree that, as parental-replacement regulations go, it's quite reasonable, but there's a good chance I'd object to the whole lot, up to and incluing an age-based minimum wage.

If I had a menu of these types of policies, and no "none of the above" option, I'd probably choose the minimum wage, but I wouldn't be happy about it.
Well, minimum wage definitely has a far greater negative effect on unemployment for the young worker, so even if it isn't nanny state based, it isn't a bad thought overall. Of course, we will try to destroy some of these same jobs by outlawing various fast food meals, a far greater overstep of government into parenting than the above.
post #57 of 160
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I have now voted.

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What Manton said.
Okay ... now lets make this one true. Lets not have any Meg Whitman's here. That said ... I did donate to Meg ... not that she needed my money.
post #58 of 160
I wonder what all of the Starkist workers in American Samoa are thinking about the minimum wage hike? It must be nice to know that if they hadn't been laid off, they would be making more money.
post #59 of 160
What system is in France or Germany?
post #60 of 160
The dole
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