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post #556 of 707
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Well, I have two suits from Harrison's Frontier, and I find them perfectly satisfactory, but maybe I'm just easily satisfied. If Frontier is "lifeless," what, then, would constitute a "lively" fabric?

I agree that the adjectives were, at least for me, less than helpful. But beginning with this post, there were some others who chimed in about Frontier:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/56404/unfunded-liabilities-a-k-a-the-cloth-thread/5670#post_6208949
post #557 of 707
I scheduled an appointment with WW Chan in Hong Kong in May. This will be my first time commissioning something from Chan and after reading so much about Patrick's expertise, I requested that I be attended to by him. Fiona just replied that he will be on holiday during my visit.

Is there another fitter who you guys would recommend? Or should I skip Chan on this visit to HK and perhaps try again, either during one of their tours or the next time I am in HK (I generally visit once a year)? If it makes any difference, I was considering commissioning either a DB blazer & trousers or a SB suit from them.
post #558 of 707
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Originally Posted by dan'l View Post

I scheduled an appointment with WW Chan in Hong Kong in May. This will be my first time commissioning something from Chan and after reading so much about Patrick's expertise, I requested that I be attended to by him. Fiona just replied that he will be on holiday during my visit.

Is there another fitter who you guys would recommend? Or should I skip Chan on this visit to HK and perhaps try again, either during one of their tours or the next time I am in HK (I generally visit once a year)? If it makes any difference, I was considering commissioning either a DB blazer & trousers or a SB suit from them.

If you know about the process and has detailed experience, such as places where extra cautions are needed. Any junior cutter will do the job just as good as Patrick.
post #559 of 707
You hear so much about Patrick on SF because he goes on Chan's tours to the US. I am sure there are comparable fitters in Hong Kong.
post #560 of 707
Personally I would pass on Chan if I wasn't getting fitted by Patrick. The fitter / cutter is the difference-maker in the bespoke process, and Patrick is very knowledgeable and skilled and understands the bespoke terminology/concepts/trends discussed on Styleforum. Also I have been unimpressed by the non-Patrick stuff I've seen posted online.
post #561 of 707
Is Patrick the head cutter, or just the one who goes on tour?

One of my goals was to establish a long term relationship with the cutter, especially in case I won't be able to visit HK annually in the future. So naturally I thought it would be good to have Patrick as my cutter.
post #562 of 707
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

Personally I would pass on Chan if I wasn't getting fitted by Patrick. The fitter / cutter is the difference-maker in the bespoke process, and Patrick is very knowledgeable and skilled and understands the bespoke terminology/concepts/trends discussed on Styleforum. Also I have been unimpressed by the non-Patrick stuff I've seen posted online.

Very good insight; thanks.

I'm still impressed by what you said a few posts back about them nailing your pattern down. I'm sure you meant Patrick.
post #563 of 707
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Originally Posted by dan'l View Post

Is Patrick the head cutter, or just the one who goes on tour?

One of my goals was to establish a long term relationship with the cutter, especially in case I won't be able to visit HK annually in the future. So naturally I thought it would be good to have Patrick as my cutter.

Yes Patrick is the head cutter that does their overseas trips. I'd stick to him if you're interested in a long term relationship.
post #564 of 707
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Originally Posted by dan'l View Post

I agree that the adjectives were, at least for me, less than helpful. But beginning with this post, there were some others who chimed in about Frontier:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/56404/unfunded-liabilities-a-k-a-the-cloth-thread/5670#post_6208949

I've been thinking about a suit in Frontier and was a bit concerned about these comments as well. But I have a travel book of Frontier and, granted I'm certainly no cloth expert, it seems anything but limp and lifeless to me. I also know that Patrick Chu has spoken well of Frontier in the past.
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

Personally I would pass on Chan if I wasn't getting fitted by Patrick. The fitter / cutter is the difference-maker in the bespoke process, and Patrick is very knowledgeable and skilled and understands the bespoke terminology/concepts/trends discussed on Styleforum. Also I have been unimpressed by the non-Patrick stuff I've seen posted online.

I think for a first suit, I would probably agree, but, for some follow up fittings in Hong Kong, I did work with a junior cutter and he did a very good and careful job, and probably took more time than Patrick would have. Of course, Patrick had already cut my pattern.
Edited by Mr. Pink - 3/20/13 at 2:17pm
post #565 of 707
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Originally Posted by dan'l View Post

Is Patrick the head cutter, or just the one who goes on tour?

One of my goals was to establish a long term relationship with the cutter, especially in case I won't be able to visit HK annually in the future. So naturally I thought it would be good to have Patrick as my cutter.

Also he is the only one who can communicate in English to a reasonable degree. I have no problem with junior to do my fitting, because I speak the local language anyway.
post #566 of 707
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Originally Posted by Mr. Pink View Post

I've been thinking about a suit in Frontier and was a bit concerned about these comments as well. But I have a travel book of Frontier and, granted I'm certainly no cloth expert, it seems anything but limp and lifeless to me. I also know that Patrick Chu has spoken well of Frontier in the past.
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Originally Posted by dan'l View Post

I agree that the adjectives were, at least for me, less than helpful. But beginning with this post, there were some others who chimed in about Frontier:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/56404/unfunded-liabilities-a-k-a-the-cloth-thread/5670#post_6208949

Some tailors prefer working with certain fabrics. For what's it worth, two SR tailors dissuaded me from Frontier saying they dislike how it makes up. My suit in Frontier doesn't have body, and doesn't shape nicely. How else can one explain a tactile difference except with the use of common adjectives? There's a difference between lightweight fabrics that have body and lightweight fabrics that are limp. But if you think you can't tell the difference, and believe Patrick will do a good job with it, I can't think of another reason why you shldn't use Frontier.

Patrick also prefers Holland and Sherry Super 130s over the Lesser's 11-12 oz range.
post #567 of 707
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Originally Posted by add911_11 View Post

Also he is the only one who can communicate in English to a reasonable degree. I have no problem with junior to do my fitting, because I speak the local language anyway.

Not so, Mr. Wong (I am not sure what his exact title is) speaks English at least as well as Patrick and is perhaps more fluent.
post #568 of 707
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Not so, Mr. Wong (I am not sure what his exact title is) speaks English at least as well as Patrick and is perhaps more fluent.

Really, you can be right because I haven't seen the young Mr. Wong that much. My judgment may not be accurate because I don't speak English with any Hong Kong tailors
post #569 of 707
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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post

Patrick also prefers Holland and Sherry Super 130s over the Lesser's 11-12 oz range.

I can see his point, depends how hard someone wears his stuff. It does get boring (my position) when the wardrobe is full with workhouse suitings.

Also if the fit and measurements are top notch, anything will look great.
post #570 of 707
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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post


My suit in Frontier doesn't have body, and doesn't shape nicely. How else can one explain a tactile difference except with the use of common adjectives? There's a difference between lightweight fabrics that have body and lightweight fabrics that are limp. But if you think you can't tell the difference, and believe Patrick will do a good job with it, I can't think of another reason why you shldn't use Frontier.

I don't have any problems with your choice of adjectives. My comment was only that the swatches don't seem limp and lifeless. I've felt swatches that do. On the other hand, I'm reluctant to make judgements on a swatch alone. In any case, I won't be using Frontier as I've decided I want a nailhead, and the shade I want isn't in the Frontier book. I may try it another time but not now.
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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post

Patrick also prefers Holland and Sherry Super 130s over the Lesser's 11-12 oz range.

FWIW, I've heard lots of people who otherwise love Lesser's dump on the 11-12 range. On the other hand, Despos has said a number of positive things about H&S supers, specifically Cloudy Bay IRIC. Who knows? I wish I were knowledgeable enough about fabrics to make my way through all the conflicting opinions.
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