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post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
Here's a quick question. What is the minimum number of hits needed to win a baseball game?

zero

You just have to score one more run than your opponent. There are numberous ways to score runs without getting a hit.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by forsbergacct2000 View Post
zero

You just have to score one more run than your opponent. There are numberous ways to score runs without getting a hit.

^ this
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by SField View Post
Question for the baseball guys RE: the spit ball I remember in that series between the Marlins and the Indians when it went up to Cleveland in that cold weather, everyone was talking about Herschiser vs Hernandez, and Orel's licking of his fingers before throwing a pitch. What was the deal with that?
Could just be about warming his hand, or getting a better feel for the grip.
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Originally Posted by Stylish Pilot View Post
Spitball just allows yu to get more grip on the baseball. .
The opposite, actually. How would putting lube on the ball give you more grip? The idea of a true spitball is to reduce the friction between your fingers and the ball. Gaylord Perry's book, among others, gives a pretty good description. If you've ever thrown a forkball, it's somewhat similar. With a forkball, you're pushing off with your thumb on the bottom of the ball to reduce the topspin. With a spitter, reducing the drag from your fingers on top of the ball has the same effect. As slopho points out, once could also use foreign substances to the same effect as scuffing or cutting the ball -- to make the surface of the ball more irregular, thereby effecting the rotation and the Bernoulli effect.
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Originally Posted by NH_Clark View Post
also, there was a comment about a kunckler trying to get a spin on the ball. I don't think that's right. I thought they were going for zero rotation on the ball since that could disrupt the "unpredictability" of the ball?
I don't claim to be an expert, but what I always heard and what my very limited experience seems to support is that a very small amount of spin is more effective than zero spin. This still means virtually "no spin" compared to a pitch thrown normally. Some explanations I've read say that if you have a bit of spin, you have a bit more control over which way the ball will break (it's influenced by the direction of the spin).
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Stylish Pilot View Post
Spitball just allows yu to get more grip on the baseball.
No.
The foreign substance on the ball messes with the aerodynamics, making the break more dramatic and less predictable. Same thing happens with scuffs, which is why so many balls are thrown out of play nowadays with pitchers bouncing balls on purpose.
post #20 of 27
A lot of people act like they can throw a knuckler but it's actually quite difficult. It's not that difficult to put very little spin on the ball, but it is very difficult to do that and still throw the ball with enough velocity to have it actually move. It is easier with a softball, likely because the lighter, larger ball has a higher ratio of surface area to weight.

It is a fun concept and neat to get one to dance a little when you're playing catch, but to do it consistently enough and be able to throw enough strikes with it is extremely, extremely difficult. That is why, while there are plenty of guys in the majors throwing high 90s, there's a very, very small cadre of knucklers.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by forsbergacct2000 View Post
zero

You just have to score one more run than your opponent. There are numberous ways to score runs without getting a hit.

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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim View Post
^ this

Sorry thought it be tougher.
post #22 of 27
How about this. Who was the last NL player to hit .400? Without looking it up.
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Hornsby?
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Bill Terry
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by forsbergacct2000 View Post
Bill Terry

Did you look that up?

Only member of the 3000 hit club not to have 3000 "hits"??
post #26 of 27
No. I've just always enjoyed baseball trivia. I'm 53; Bill Terry was only one generation before my boyhood.
post #27 of 27
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I'm 52; Bill Terry was only one generation before my boyhood.

Just a kid.
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