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post #8116 of 10950
Do you guys have big buildings? I was talking to our facilities director, and he told me that I'd be surprised to know how difficult it is to regulate temps in a big building. Heating requirements vary greatly depending on outside temps, proximity to windows, and number of people in the building. And people have such different perceptions on what's too hot and too cold so someone's always unhappy
post #8117 of 10950
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

My opinion is that having one is stupid unless you are a climate scientist or in a closely related field smile.gif  

Yes, only "top men" and the "best and the brightest" should make decisions related to these kinds of things, right?
post #8118 of 10950
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Originally Posted by Connemara View Post

The exact opposite happens in my office. It has to be 80 degrees in here. I can't wear sweaters, even cotton, in the winter because I will overheat within 5 minutes. It's so annoying.

It must be climate/geography-based. We're more likely to need AC here than heat, so that's the default. I'd imagine it's vice versa for you.
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Do you guys have big buildings? I was talking to our facilities director, and he told me that I'd be surprised to know how difficult it is to regulate temps in a big building. Hearing requirements vary greatly depending on outside temps, proximity to windows, and number of people in the building. And people have such different perceptions on what's too hot and too cold so someone's always unhappy

I had similar conversations with the facilities director at my old job, and I'm sympathetic to how much of a hassle it can be.

Still, it's one thing to have trouble dialing it in, especially when you have a day where the temperature is pretty extreme in either direction, but it's another thing entirely to chill the air when it has been cold outside.
post #8119 of 10950
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Originally Posted by razl View Post

Card carrying member of Hillary's "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" here; the earth has provably gone through many ice/glacial stages which had periods of both global cooling and warming. Clearly it's happened before without man and we have no reason to doubt that it would/is happening again. That fact is cited by many (including conservatives, like me!) as an argument against AGW. Sounds like you're falling prey to the media again, who intentionally misrepresent conservative and their positions - "flat earthers", "knuckle draggers" and all that.

Here's a 17k yr temp graph from the GISP2 Greenland ice core samples. All those red lines are periods of samples' based global warming. I agree they happened, I also agree that man had nothing to do with them. So, I'm onboard with "global warming happens" (as are most/all? conservatives when not edited by the media), I'm just not onboard with "we know for sure man is the cause and - trust us - we know what needs to be done to fix it!":

I'm not going to get into the details of this (in this thread anyway), but you're just fundamentally misunderstanding the argument of AGW if you think that graph argues against it in any meaningful way.


Anybody that's actually "scientifically literate" isn't going to have a politically partisan interpretation of a scientific issue. That's the fundamental flaw in your original statement.
post #8120 of 10950
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Originally Posted by Connemara View Post

The exact opposite happens in my office. It has to be 80 degrees in here. I can't wear sweaters, even cotton, in the winter because I will overheat within 5 minutes. It's so annoying.
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

It must be climate/geography-based. We're more likely to need AC here than heat, so that's the default. I'd imagine it's vice versa for you.
I had similar conversations with the facilities director at my old job, and I'm sympathetic to how much of a hassle it can be.

Still, it's one thing to have trouble dialing it in, especially when you have a day where the temperature is pretty extreme in either direction, but it's another thing entirely to chill the air when it has been cold outside.

If I can keep it between 63 and 67 I am good.

I have the radiator in my office off... the window open and it is still 76.6 degrees in here. The heat is tooooo damn high! Once it gets nice and cold, my corner of the floor gets nice -- as I keep the window open all winter. Everyone else is complaining how cold it is... Hell half of the people in the office have space heaters. I should do away with them to increase productivity.

Oh and yes the air sucks as well. I wonder how much it would cost to overhaul some of these buildings with more energy efficient HVAC options?
post #8121 of 10950
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Do you guys have big buildings? I was talking to our facilities director, and he told me that I'd be surprised to know how difficult it is to regulate temps in a big building. Heating requirements vary greatly depending on outside temps, proximity to windows, and number of people in the building. And people have such different perceptions on what's too hot and too cold so someone's always unhappy

Yeah it is a massive building. There's also no ventilation in my office.
post #8122 of 10950
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Originally Posted by Fang66 View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no ice core expert, but I thought that you had to actually wait for ice to form before you could core it, and it can take up to around a century for snow to compact into firn and then usable ice. So the above data wouldn't be accurate for the supposed anthropogenic period.

(with regards to those who want us to vacate agw and the politics of it; I only want to leave this for future ref, not to extend debate)

The report says they had air bubbles in ice for those periods (LIA/MWP); maybe part of the challenge of the project was finding ice with solid cores recent enough to compare to deep ones? Like you, I'm no core expert - but I'm relying on enough Dr'd wonks signed off on the data to make it good enough to bat around. The report does say that "the current conservative estimate of the age error is 2% for 0-11.64 kyr B.P.". That's 0 (as in now) to 11kyr.
post #8123 of 10950
I was walking behind a dude who was sagging his jeans so low that he was actually wearing another pair of jeans underneath (at the normal height).

I do not get this.
post #8124 of 10950
I don't get why people want to discuss either AGW or the politics of it in this thread when we have a whole forum.
post #8125 of 10950
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Do you guys have big buildings? I was talking to our facilities director, and he told me that I'd be surprised to know how difficult it is to regulate temps in a big building. Heating requirements vary greatly depending on outside temps, proximity to windows, and number of people in the building. And people have such different perceptions on what's too hot and too cold so someone's always unhappy

If "building" is a euphemism for penis, then yes I do. I don't find it difficult to regulate the temperature though.
post #8126 of 10950
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I don't get why people want to discuss either AGW or the politics of it in this thread when we have a whole forum.

Irony.
post #8127 of 10950
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Originally Posted by razl View Post

(Quick note, my intent isn't to argue global warming/climate change, but only to point out people who misrepresent conservative viewpoints on it; like you're doing. It's s standard left-wing tactic and deserves rebuke.)
That's why the Democrats have the White House, because conservatives are too dumb to have figured out how to employ this strategy.
post #8128 of 10950
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Do you guys have big buildings?

If "building" is a euphemism, then yes.
post #8129 of 10950
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

That's why the Democrats have the White House, because conservatives are too dumb to have figured out how to employ this strategy.

It's not that they're too dumb to employ it (sadly, some do), but it's useless without the media, pop culture, unions, public ed, and higher ed, etc. parroting/echoing/reinforcing it.
post #8130 of 10950
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Originally Posted by razl View Post

It's not that they're too dumb to employ it (sadly, some do), but it's useless without the media, pop culture, unions, public ed, and higher ed, etc. parroting/echoing/reinforcing it.

This is really quite hilarious.

Speck, beam, ect. There is much, much more of an echo chamber on the right than there is on the left.
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