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post #5866 of 13628

I agree that its a counterculture (pB is the one who says it isn't...probably because he's a closet hipster). And an interesting observation as to what they are reacting to. I just think that "hipster" going mainstream is more ironic (ha ha) than other countercultures becoming mainstream.

 

Oh shit. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's their big joke.

 

Well played, hipsters, well played.

post #5867 of 13628
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I see what you're saying but still think it's a counter culture. Since the boom of the 1980s on Wall St. "purpose" is important in general society. Think the whole, "Your child's future is based on what pre-school they get into," Tiger Moms, the race for multiple extracurriculars, grad degree becoming almost mandatory type trends over the last 20-30 years. The avowed lack of purpose is their reaction to what they feel is an overly programmed society.

This reminds me of something I saw at the airport coming home from holiday last week - a really obviously hipster couple (or european variation thereof) with two young kids (maybe 4 and 5) queueing for security. Thing is, they had brought their kids instruments with them (looked like violin and guitar cases). I know plenty of non-hipster parents with tonnes of ambition for their kids, but none, I think, would bother to take their 4 & 5 year old's instruments skiing. I think this couple were super ambitious that their kids should be musical in a hip way. It was probably a fiddle rather than a violin.
post #5868 of 13628
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

I agree that its a counterculture (pB is the one who says it isn't...probably because he's a closet hipster). And an interesting observation as to what they are reacting to.

 

In the words of Voxsartoria, I am a "Graduated Hipster".
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

You try buying expertly crafted sausages and perfectly cut steaks from a militant vegan hipster butcher.

It's like buying the worlds greatest painting, straight from it's blind painter (or just listening to beethoven)....enough to make anyone feel insecure about their own talents.

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I try to be ironic by going to work and paying tax. It's the only way I can tell the man that I don't care about what he does and how it does or does not alter my life. Screw you, I'm going to win and I don't even need to put a giant hole in my ear to make you mad.

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Damn The Man! Save The Empire!

By the way, I'm totally stealing this, and, given you're a dude I know from an internet forum about men's fashion, I'll only be attributing it to "this guy I know." Just thought I should disclose that.
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I think not buying into the mainstream has just become incredibly easy because of how fucking awful it is. If the mainstream were something of taste and substance a hipster would have a different meaning.

Sorry, pB, but this isn't a novel concept. We said the same thing when I was in high school in the 90s. We weren't hipsters, mind you, but the logic was exactly the same. We called the kids who embraced mainstream "culture" "trendies."

Thinking the mainstream sucks is a fundamental part of rejecting it, given no one would reject it if they didn't think it sucked.
post #5870 of 13628
But here is the thing. The mainstream in the 60's and 70's was kind of awesome in its own right. You're a douche if you didn't like it. Today the quality of the mainstream has taken a nosedive. I don't think today's hipsters are about rejecting the mainstream, maybe it began that way, but now it is more or less people who have a certain taste. They are saying, hey I go out of my way to find something worthwhile.
post #5871 of 13628
You're viewing it all with nostalgic retrospection because it was 40 years ago and you've only been presented with the cool parts.

Unless you take a very broad view of mainstream, the 60s and 70s were terrible. Yes, the 60s had the hippies, but they were the counterculture. In fact, the 60s all but invented counterculture. The mainstream sucked so bad that the hippies had to invent a new concept.

The 70s weren't any better. In fact, aside from a smattering of decent rock bands and the emergence of punk (which wasn't perfected until later and existed specifically because the 70s sucked so bad), the 70s were a cultural wasteland. Actually, the 70s might be the worst cultural decade, both mainstream and otherwise, in recorded history.

The mainstream, by virtue of the fact that it is designed to cater to the lowest common denominator, is going to be reliably terrible, regardless of era, and the young people who sit on the outside are always going to be convinced that the current era is the wooooorst. I know we were. We were certain that the 90s were the nadir of popular culture. After all, I was young and countercultural during the rise of the 90s boys bands, and we didn't think anything could ever be any more mainstream or shitty than that. Now the young counterculture is saying the exact same thing about the 2010s. It's all a cycle.
post #5872 of 13628
The 60s did not invent counter culture. It's just the Boomers have once again been selling us younger folks on how their generation was THE OMFG BEST EVER! and many of us have bought it. Beatniks, flappers, zoot suites....and those are just three I can rattle off. I bet Fuuma could supply us with 20 counter cultures from upper Mongolia wink.gif
post #5873 of 13628
I thought about the pre-60s when I typed that out, but I still think the 60s were transformative to pop culture history, even without the Boomer revisionist narrative.

I probably pushed it too far by saying the 60s invented the counterculture, but it was certainly a pivotal moment.
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There's way too many fuckkng numbers in these posts
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The 60s did not invent counter culture. It's just the Boomers have once again been selling us younger folks on how their generation was THE OMFG BEST EVER! and many of us have bought it. Beatniks, flappers, zoot suites....and those are just three I can rattle off. I bet Fuuma could supply us with 20 counter cultures from upper Mongolia wink.gif

There are numerous examples of art movements that were counter to the prevailing attitude before this. It is an important human characteristic to push aside the old in search of new. I sort of think hipsters are important for this. Discarding things just because they can seems a rather pure demonstration of this.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The 60s did not invent counter culture. It's just the Boomers have once again been selling us younger folks on how their generation was THE OMFG BEST EVER! and many of us have bought it. Beatniks, flappers, zoot suites....and those are just three I can rattle off. I bet Fuuma could supply us with 20 counter cultures from upper Mongolia wink.gif


Wasn't this pretty much the premise for Woody Allen's Midnight in Paris?
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Wasn't this pretty much the premise for Woody Allen's Midnight in Paris?

Excellent reference.
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In short, Mr. G is an idiot.
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For what it's worth, the term "counterculture" was coined in the late 60s as a reference to the hippies. It has since been applied to retroactively to other groups, but the 60s counterculture is the very reason the term exists in the first place. So, again, while it was not the first phenomenon we'd consider a counterculture, the hippie "movement" was a watershed moment in the dynamic between mainstream and non-mainstream popular culture.
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The mainstream, by virtue of the fact that it is designed to cater to the lowest common denominator, is going to be reliably terrible,.
Some of these folks might beg to differ:
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