Things you just don't get - Page 323

Originally Posted by Medwed 

 It is not entirely Americans fault, just as it was not entirely fault of Soviets to believe in Socialism.

Originally Posted by OJKD 

You do know that communism and socialism is different, right?

Originally Posted by Blackhood 

Being late is basically saying "my time is worth more than yours". So what, I'm cool to just sit around waiting for someone whose life is so jam packed with important stuff that I should just be grateful to see them at all? Fuck that, if you are more than 5 minutes late without a text/phonecall/im/facebook/carrierfuckingpidgeon then I'm leaving to do what ever was planned without you. As far as I'm concerned being late is one of the most basic rudenesses.
EDIT: I should clarify that if someone calls me up and says " hey dude, I'm gonna be 10/20/30 minutes late, that ok?" I'm happy to wait as long as it takes. Delays happen, not informing people of a revised ETA is not acceptable.

Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH 

You often speak of students being somewhat incompetent. What, in your opinion, is the reason? Are they lazy, or are students getting stupider?

Originally Posted by L'Incandescent 

In the etymology case, I honestly don't know why they went wrong. It's possible that they don't know dictionaries have etymologies along with the definitions.
I don't want to make this a bitching session about students, because I don't have a strongly negative attitude toward them generally. Sometimes I just post about cases that drive me nuts, but those don't always represent the norm.
But if I were to isolate a couple deficiencies that I'm seeing more and more, they'd be these:
1. They don't know how to read well. They can't follow a chain of reasoning over the course of a number of paragraphs. Indeed, they don't seem to recognize that the text is an extended chain of reasoning. Instead, they look for isolated bits of information scattered throughout the text, sort of like an Easter egg hunt. I'm sure they've learned to do that at earlier levels of education, but it absolutely doesn't work for reading most university level texts. Also, what they pick up from texts is a very general emotional tone. So for example, if they read a paper where X disagrees with the thesis of Y for reasons a, b, and c, they will experience that text as "X was bashing Y." I try very hard to get them out of that habit, but I have not met with a lot of success, to be honest.
2. Short attention spans. Of course young people are always going to have some difficulty focusing their attention for long stretches of time, but I've really noticed a decline in the time I've been teaching.
3. A tendency to view thinking as a kind of aesthetic self-expression. In other words, preferring this or that theory is sort of like enjoying this or that indie rock band. Related to this, they tend to think of their opinions as something they have a "right" to. Well of course they do, but no one is denying that! What's at issue is whether their opinions are true, or whether they can provide compelling arguments in defense of them. But when you ask them to defend their points of view, they sometimes seem confused at what you're asking of them. They're just expressing themselves. Again, I'm sure they're learning this mode of discourse somewhere else in their educational histories, but I don't know where. It's a real obstacle to good thinking, though.

Originally Posted by L'Incandescent 

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Originally Posted by why 

I don't think a lot of this is limited to students (whether you intended it to be or not I'm not sure). It's really a lack of education and lack of intellectual maturity. What you're seeing in university is the effect of lowered admissions standards (or lowered standards all around). In the past these kinds of students would never have entered university whether willfully or otherwise, but now they are.

Originally Posted by L'Incandescent 

This is speculation, although I'm sure others have studied this more closely: I think some of the deficiencies I'm seeing also result from the ways students are tested, especially multiple choice exams. (I'm really focusing on the humanities here. I understand that things are different in other fields.) Of course multiple choice exams can be written well, but for the most part I think they encourage students to think of a text as a bunch of discrete pieces of information that they have to remember. The goal of reading is to track down those pieces of information. I've seen multiple choice exams--including some by my colleagues at the university level--that just floor me. They ask the students questions about isolated sentences in the text, completely irrespective of whether the points they're asking about are essential, secondary, or utterly trivial. That form of testing has to cultivate bad reading habits.

Originally Posted by why 

I think that comes from the way 'study habits' are taught. Students sit there taking notes with four different colored highlighters and never seem to really read -- let alone comprehend -- the text. One teacher (one of the brightest yet most seemingly-cruel people I've ever met) succinctly put into words an obvious characteristic of poor thinkers that I never took the time to articulate: those who don't or can't think just memorize the material instead. It then becomes a chicken and egg scenario: do they memorize the material because they can't think, or can they not think because they learned to just memorize the material?
I have no doubt that part of the decline in reason is due to an increasing lack of classes devoted to it, which at the primarily levels of education primarily means the weakening of most mathematics and science curricula (and ineptitude of the educators).

Originally Posted by L'Incandescent 

I agree with all of that. I teach at the university level, so in the post above I was confining my remarks to my experiences in the classroom.
This is speculation, although I'm sure others have studied this more closely: I think some of the deficiencies I'm seeing also result from the ways students are tested, especially multiple choice exams. (I'm really focusing on the humanities here. I understand that things are different in other fields.) Of course multiple choice exams can be written well, but for the most part I think they encourage students to think of a text as a bunch of discrete pieces of information that they have to remember. The goal of reading is to track down those pieces of information. I've seen multiple choice exams--including some by my colleagues at the university level--that just floor me. They ask the students questions about isolated sentences in the text, completely irrespective of whether the points they're asking about are essential, secondary, or utterly trivial. That form of testing has to cultivate bad reading habits.
And I could go on and on about PowerPoint, but I won't.