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It also appears to be a huge vehicle dispatch center whose purpose is to create as much traffic around the Coral Gables area as possible. But that's all I know
post #20237 of 24091
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The University of Miami is more than just a football team?


UM falls under the same category as schools like Michigan and Notre Dame. Big football programs but also very good schools.

post #20238 of 24091
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UM falls under the same category as schools like Michigan and Notre Dame. Big football programs but also very good schools.

I agree in principle, but I think you're overstating UM's reputation. It's not quite a Michigan or a ND, more a UGA or a UF (which, all elitist BS aside, is still quite respectable in the grand scheme of things).
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I agree in principle, but I think you're overstating UM's reputation. It's not quite a Michigan or a ND, more a UGA or a UF (which, all elitist BS aside, is still quite respectable in the grand scheme of things).


Perhaps. Alls I knows is the one dude from my high school class who went there is brilliant. 

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All mockery aside, they do have some academic talent. My former boss went there and he's a brilliant engineer. But they are still pretty overrated (especially locally where some consider them the be-all end-all academically when they aren't even better than U of Fl) and unconscionably expensive.
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Perhaps. Alls I knows is the one dude from my high school class who went there is brilliant. 
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All mockery aside, they do have some academic talent. My former boss went there and he's a brilliant engineer. But they are still pretty overrated (especially locally where some consider them the be-all end-all academically when they aren't even better than U of Fl) and unconscionably expensive.

Yes, pretty much exactly what HRoi said.

FWIW, my wife and I started dating during her last semester at UM (she transferred to UF). I don't recall thinking the people I met were any smarter overall as compared to UF and UGA (though generally much richer, given it's private), and she transferred because UM wasn't special enough to justify the cost. Basically, she could save tens of thousands of dollars and get the same quality of education. This was quite some time ago, but I don't get the impression much has changed in that regard.
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Yes, pretty much exactly what HRoi said.

FWIW, my wife and I started dating during her last semester at UM (she transferred to UF). I don't recall thinking the people I met were any smarter overall as compared to UF and UGA (though generally much richer, given it's private), and she transferred because UM wasn't special enough to justify the cost. Basically, she could save tens of thousands of dollars and get the same quality of education. This was quite some time ago, but I don't get the impression much has changed in that regard.

 

How much is the perceived education worth though?  My guess is if you look at the top US News & World report list, the quality of education (and students) between the top 50 is pretty similar.

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How much is the perceived education worth though?  My guess is if you look at the top US News & World report list, the quality of education (and students) between the top 50 is pretty similar.

I agree generally. Aside from the truly elite, or specialized, institutions, I think the typical student is going to get a materially similar education at top 50, even top 75 or so schools. Plus, if you intend to stay close to home, regional connections can trump most quality difference that might exist in that group (in most cases, I'd rather job hunt in Atlanta with a UGA, even UF degree, than ND).

That said, the US News rankings (which are entirely about perception) confirm my suspicion: ND is 18, Michigan is 29, UF is tied for 47, UM is next at 51, and UGA is 61. So, UM compares more to UF/UGA, and all three are significantly lower than the two E mentioned.
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Hmmm everybody should go to a public state school for undergrad anyway. Use the extra money to study abroad or something. 

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You know, I have it on good authority, that all universities "fudge the numbers" concerning their athletic programs.
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You know, I have it on good authority, that all universities "fudge the numbers" concerning their athletic programs.


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Hmmm everybody should go to a public state school for undergrad anyway. Use the extra money to study abroad or something. 

In most states, I agree completely. If I had a kid looking at colleges right now, my advice would be, "if you don't get into an Ivy or one of a select group of others, stay in state."
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You know, I have it on good authority, that all universities "fudge the numbers" concerning their athletic programs.

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post #20248 of 24091
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Hmmm everybody should go to a public state school for undergrad anyway. Use the extra money to study abroad or something. 
We recruit grads from the major FL schools every year. The difference in outstanding student loans between a Miami grad and a grad from UF, FSU or UCF (assuming in-state) is well over $100k. Sometimes the delta approaches $200k. It's mind boggling. we don't pay the private school grads any more, and they're not likely to be promoted faster.
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If you are getting 200k in undergrad student loans, you are doing something wrong. It either means you picked a shitty private school with zero financial aid, or that your parents make a lot of money but decided to fuck you.

If it is because your parents refuse to help, then that sucks...but you need to either figure out how to become an emancipated minor or suck it up and go to a state school (or suck it up and get the loans...but don't bitch about it afterwards).

If it is because the school has shitty financial aid and can't help you, then you are picking the wrong school. That school probably exists for the children of rich parents who aren't smart enough to get into a top school but don't want to be seen at a public institution. If that school was really so great and led to their graduates having such fantastic opportunities, then they would have a bunch of alumni donations and a big endowment with which to get you down to no more than 25-50k in loans over 4 years. Even 50k seems high to me, but that's probably without term-time employment...and I guess school is going up in price.
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If you are getting 200k in undergrad student loans, you are doing something wrong. It either means you picked a shitty private school with zero financial aid, or that your parents make a lot of money but decided to fuck you.

If it is because your parents refuse to help, then that sucks...but you need to either figure out how to become an emancipated minor or suck it up and go to a state school (or suck it up and get the loans...but don't bitch about it afterwards).

If it is because the school has shitty financial aid and can't help you, then you are picking the wrong school. That school probably exists for the children of rich parents who aren't smart enough to get into a top school but don't want to be seen at a public institution. If that school was really so great and led to their graduates having such fantastic opportunities, then they would have a bunch of alumni donations and a big endowment with which to get you down to no more than 25-50k in loans over 4 years. Even 50k seems high to me, but that's probably without term-time employment...and I guess school is going up in price.

 

Spot on.  My wife and I went to a public school and we graduated with ~$15k in debt each.  It is graduate level stuff that can lead to a lot of extra debt or not just getting your degree.  I know someone who took nine years to graduate and has a $100k+ debt.  She now pays less a month than I do because she did the minimum income based repayment plan, and because she's a teacher, it will all be forgiven in 10 years.

 

Public schools have been increasing rates pretty quickly too.  Even in the 5ish years I have been out, tuition has gone up noticeably.

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