Savile Rogues: London's Rakish tailors

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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I'm not speaking to you.

Oxxfrod?

- B

FNB, are you English? because you always seem to have opinions on the English take on things.

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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Oxxfrod?

The market is failing to correct itself. Shall I PM the administrators for a bailout?

Originally Posted by EnglishGent

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FNB, are you English? because you always seem to have opinions on the English take on things.



He's on the right.

- B

Originally Posted by mafoofan

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The market is failing to correct itself. Shall I PM the administrators for a bailout?

OxxTARP?

- B

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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He's on the right.

- B

Hmm, I thought he was out of the picture on the left.

Originally Posted by EnglishGent

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Hmm, I thought he was out of the picture on the left.

Cheeky.

I, too, plan to pick another nationality's dress in which to become expert. In fact, I have picked it: Canada.

Essays and thought pieces are forthcoming.


- B

Vox I admire your choice.

Originally Posted by EnglishGent

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Vox I admire your choice.

First article?

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Not sure where to go after that. It might be something on Pamela Anderson.


- B

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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First article?

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Not sure where to go after that. It might be something on Pamela Anderson.


- B

Flannel shirts and earflaps:

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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You're not being rude, you're being learned.

I never learned me anything 'cept for the socks on my feet and the straw 'tween my teeth.

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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Well I understand what they mean when they say buttons (for flys) look silly but it isnt just literal, it's a descendant of the dandiacal cannon. We have a little bit of it in American culture but it is particularly appealing and pervasive in English culture. When you speak about good advice being grounded, I take it you are denying that taste exists within subjective circles, and while I would never expect anyone to be able to identify all of them, to deny they exist guarantees failure with mens tailored clothes.

I'm confused. I don't think buttons look silly at all. The advice in the article says so. My point was that it's not clear what they mean by that. Without knowing, I can't see how anybody could take the advice in a meaningful way.

Honestly, 'taste' is a concept I struggle with. On the one hand, it is perfectly sensible to characterize it as something relative to one's circumstances. On the other hand, I don't want to lose the ability to say someone in different circumstances than myself has poor taste--then nobody could judge anybody else's taste, and taste would become a useless concept. I understand the two impulses do not completely defeat each other (you can try to judge another's taste relative to his circumstances), but there is tension nonetheless.

So, all I can say is that the taste of the advice is not apparent to me. It may be that I do not understance the circumstances surrounding it, or that I have poor taste myself. But either way, the article does not put its advice in a sufficiently comprehensive context, so I imagine many rational readers would feel the same as I.

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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Bottom line, it's a cultural thing which appeals to the English, just like arguing for no reason at all appeals to certain other...cultures.

The irony is that it's the English who are better known for loving argument for argument's sake. Scholastically, Americans have been much more pragmatic. Still, nobody loves arguing over nothing more than the French.

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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I'm going too far? What you like or do not like with regards to class interests me not at all.

What I mean is that you're jumping to conclusions about why someone might not like class-based judgments like those asserted in the article.

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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OK, so if people told you all day long you looked like a farmer it'd be a thumbs up for style?

I'd be confused. Some people I've met have asked me why I like to dress like an English professor. I'm confused until I take a moment to look at what they're dressed like. Then I feel less confused and more vindicated.

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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I realize this and this is why I treasure your friendship; $6000 non vented DJs not withstanding.

I'm sad about not putting vents in my dinner jacket, too. No need to rub it in .

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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That's because you are stuck in a very physical state with regards to clothes and harbor this belief that your attraction to them is a purely democratic, salt of the earth excercise. But you can hardly expect me to share in your delusion; I already have my own.

I don't know what you mean about my attraction to clothes being 'democratic'. Fundamentally speaking, I've never put value in democracy. It's often useful for achieving more meaningful ends, and it's often the least-worst option, but I don't value it for itself.

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

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Cheeky. I, too, plan to pick another nationality's dress in which to become expert. In fact, I have picked it: Canada. Essays and thought pieces are forthcoming. - B
Before you do this, mightn't it be better to get a grip on your own nationality's dress?

Originally Posted by Manton

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Flannel shirts and earflaps:


I know you're thinking what I'm thinking and you would be right: two parter.

One article by itself could not do that justice.


- B

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

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Before you do this, mightn't it be better to get a grip on your own nationality's dress?

I'm sorry, but you already took the best country.

I refuse to take France, so it's Canada for me.


- B

Savile Row meets NASCAR...

I'm picturing a big label in the back.