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Originally Posted by
upnorth 
This is a ridiculous assumption. If an eye surgeon doesn't have glaucoma or cataracts, does that mean he doesn't know enough about the condition to treat a patient? Similarly, just because you weigh over 300lbs and can bench 500lbs or more doesn't make you an expert. Only those who are seriously naive will still believe that the big guy in the gym knows the best.
Sure, there are several ways to get to Rome, and I don't assume your methods don't work because they do, and have worked on a lot of people. I also took in my younger days, tubs of ice cream, full fat milk, raw eggs and shit load of protein and got big. I still vividly remember those 5000 calories milk shakes. There are many advantages for a poor student since clean, healthy food is usually more expensive and cannot be conveniently attained. This bit hasn't changed today.
However, I just wanted to point out some of the dangers of a blanket recommendation especially when we do not know the OP intimately enough about his lifestyle and medical history. You come across as a know-it-all debasing everyone's advice as bad and making yours sound like the holy grail of mass building. If that is not your intention, then accept my apologies.
A bulking phase such as your recommendation may and can do irreparable long term damage to someone's health especially if he or she has a family history of heart conditions, diabetes, liver or kidney ailments. It also makes the assumption that it is easy for everyone to suddenly switch to a clean eating mode in order to get ripped. This is blatantly not true. I know a few people who wanted to get big by ingesting lots of junk food and then they struggle with weight problems, reinforced by poor eating and mental habits. You obviously don't know enough guys who are over 250 lbs and got there eating clean most, if not all the time. I can also tell you pound for pound those who ate cleanly are actually alot stronger.
Fair enough; it definitely wasn't my intention to come off the way I did. And you're right, depending on the OP's situation, it's possible that eating certain foods can impose health risks. However, I was giving my advice based on the situation presented in the thread. The OP is 150 lbs. and can afford to gain weight. I recommended that he eat 3000 calories a day. Given the circumstance my suggestion that he fulfill that requirement with fast food isn't really out of line.
Assuming that the OP is a regular guy (and he hasn't said anything to prove otherwise), there is nothing wrong with eating fast-food for grwoth. I probably should have clarified that it doesn't in any way enforce good habits but is simply a means to an end. You and I can both agree on the fact that it's hard and expensive to eat big & clean.
Not only that, but research has shown that, given the same macronutrient intake, eating a fast food meal is equivalent to eating a "clean meal." It is because it's easy to overeat on fastfood that people become fat and therefore unhealthy. People do not become unhealthy from the food itself.
All of this wasn't written to say that I don't advocate a clean diet. I do. I believe that much can be gained from eating clean; if not for the physiological benefits, there are huge psychological benefits to reap as well. I don't doubt that one
feels healthier when eating clean. I'm
assuming that if the OP has the discipline to eat fast food purely for bulking purposes, he should have no problem cutting it out in favor of leaner, whole foods.
As for all your friends in the 250+ range who got there by eating clean - I never said it wasn't possible, it's just hard to do. However, I highly that they're any stronger than those who could have gotten there and leaned out the dirty way. Instead, what your friends' eating habits indicate is that they probably have the discipline to research, find and follow through with a solid training routine. Eating clean wasn't what made them strong, it was discipline and dedication; they gave their bodies the fuel and proper stimulus for growth.
I apologize if my post offended anyone. Please keep in mind that my advice was tailored toward the OP, who hasn't clued us into any weight or dietary-habit issues. In fact, all the evidence points otherwise. I'm just simply saying that for bulking purposes, a calorie is a calorie. If you can control yourself, bulk the dirty way and come back clean. It's just easier.
