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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post
picks 2-4 are epic fails. sam bowie level not so much, but pretty awful

Not a fan of Harden and I am not sure about Thabeet, but I really like Evans. Reminds me a lot of Manu the way he gets to the basket.
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta View Post

i ask because kobe bryant is getting old, and i think his performance this year showed that he peaked as a player last year or the year before that. i'd like to see the lakers move for lebron james but i haven't seen or heard anyone discuss this. is there anything keeping them from going after lebron?

Money and the fact that they have Kobe. Kobe's still Kobe and a declining Kobe is still one of the best players in the league. The Lakers aren't going to say goodbye to Kobe anytime soon and those two contracts aren't going to be on the same team, especially if you factor in Bynum, Pau, etc. They're not the Yankees.
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slightly off-topic but i'll ask anyway.

what are the rules governing lebron james' leaving cleveland? from what i gather his contract is over after next season and then he can go wherever he wants? people seem to be talking as though he will end up in new york, but do they have some sort of inside track to sign him or can any team offer him a contract?

i ask because kobe bryant is getting old, and i think his performance this year showed that he peaked as a player last year or the year before that. i'd like to see the lakers move for lebron james but i haven't seen or heard anyone discuss this. is there anything keeping them from going after lebron?



F*cking ungrateful soccer fan, you. In American sports it's common for teams/players to get a 2, 3 year grace period after winning a championship. Not everyone is as spineless as Sir Alex Ferguson who sells out the best players at the very peak of their careers.

Anyway I strongly disagree that Kobe is already in the declining phase of his career. Just that he doesn't have to play 1 on 5 basketball every night now that we have Gasol, Odom, Ariza..
post #19 of 432
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Originally Posted by track309 View Post
How did you guys like that counter? Orlando countered the Cavs by trading for half -man half- amazing, Vince Carter.

My Hornets really need to get in the mix. They re just too soft. CP3 cant do it alone.

Ha, good luck with george shinn.
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Oh my god. The Wizard's trade just got worse. Ricky Rubio went 5th. Seriously Washington is cursed.
True, although Washington may have have anticipated Rubio would be gone by then and that they'd be stuck with James Harden.
post #21 of 432
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post
because rubio is going to the knicks via trade for david lee (who hill will replace) and some other junk and 2010 #1 pick

that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

also heard that curry might be going to the suns alongside bellineli, wright, and someone else for amare.
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post
True, although Washington may have have anticipated Rubio would be gone by then and that they'd be stuck with James Harden.

Uh-Oh T-Wolves:

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/...urn=nba,172985
post #23 of 432
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I guess the Vince Carter move was somewhat good. Hedo has sent his notice that he will opt out of his contract. His playoff/finals performance and last season will get this man overpaid but I do like Hedo so I don't mind.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4288680
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Originally Posted by whacked View Post


F*cking ungrateful soccer fan, you. In American sports it's common for teams/players to get a 2, 3 year grace period after winning a championship. Not everyone is as spineless as Sir Alex Ferguson who sells out the best players at the very peak of their careers.

Anyway I strongly disagree that Kobe is already in the declining phase of his career. Just that he doesn't have to play 1 on 5 basketball every night now that we have Gasol, Odom, Ariza..

who do you like more, the lakers, or kobe? i like him as much as the next guy but the team comes first. if they wait until he's old they won't get anything for him. if they move for lebron as a free-agent, kobe will still be young enough to get a couple of decent players for him in a trade.
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More moves in the link, including Milicic being traded to NY for Quentin Richardson and some moves from the draft.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=4287786
post #26 of 432
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta View Post
who do you like more, the lakers, or kobe? i like him as much as the next guy but the team comes first. if they wait until he's old they won't get anything for him. if they move for lebron as a free-agent, kobe will still be young enough to get a couple of decent players for him in a trade.

Post like this shows you know next to nothing about the NBA. A couple of things:

1. Because of the salary cap, restriction it's almost impossible for the Lakers to go after LeBron while still have Kobe on the roster. If they trade Kobe first, then they risk losing out on the LeBron sweepstakes and end up with nothing. Not to mention LeBron's outsized ego would prevent him from joining a team w/ Kobe or even joining the Lakers, which would make it look like he's following Kobe's footstep/

2. Kobe has a no-trade clause on his contract. He can veto any moves, and DID just that when Mitch Kupchak agreed on a deal with the Bulls.

3. Teams "get next to nothing" for players with expiring contract all the time. Again, it's not fucking soccer where there's a huge incentive to get rid of expiring contracts by selling them for massive monetary sum.
post #27 of 432
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Originally Posted by whacked View Post
Post like this shows you know next to nothing about the NBA. A couple of things:

1. Because of the salary cap, restriction it's almost impossible for the Lakers to go after LeBron while still have Kobe on the roster. If they trade Kobe first, then they risk losing out on the LeBron sweepstakes and end up with nothing. Not to mention LeBron's outsized ego would prevent him from joining a team w/ Kobe or even joining the Lakers, which would make it look like he's following Kobe's footstep/

2. Kobe has a no-trade clause on his contract. He can veto any moves, and DID just that when Mitch Kupchak agreed on a deal with the Bulls.

3. Teams "get next to nothing" for players with expiring contract all the time. Again, it's not fucking soccer where there's a huge incentive to get rid of expiring contracts by selling them for massive monetary sum.

i said in my initial post that i don't know the rules, that's why i'm asking. the salary cap, as far as i know, only causes a luxury tax for the owner, it would not keep him from spending gross amounts of money if he wanted to. so i think they could bid for lebron, sign him, then dump kobe. and i don't think kobe would object to a trade if lebron showed up and the lakers made a big thing in the media about the lakers wanting kobe gone.

and i don't see why lebron would not want to join the lakers. kobe and shaq followed kareem and magic who followed wilt and west. players come and go and lebron is a professional. he's going to go to whoever offers the best $$$ contract and chance of success.
post #28 of 432
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta View Post
who do you like more, the lakers, or kobe? i like him as much as the next guy but the team comes first. if they wait until he's old they won't get anything for him. if they move for lebron as a free-agent, kobe will still be young enough to get a couple of decent players for him in a trade.

There's a soft salary cap in which if a team goes over they get hit with a luxury tax dollar for dollar. Having Kobe and Lebron on the same team would mean there would be 2 max contracts which would probably eat up about 75% of the salary cap. Because of this and roster limits, it's hard to trade players since the roster limit and cap both have to be considered.

The reason why everyone is speculating Lebron going to NY is because they're one of the few teams with the cap room to sign him to a max contract and NY>>>>>>Cleveland.
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LOL. Whacked always says someone doesn't know anything about a sport when they disagree with him.
post #30 of 432
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
LOL. Whacked always says someone doesn't know anything about a sport when they disagree with him.



Maybe. But I've argued with matadorpoeta on other things and knew he's more of a soccer person.
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