Are there certain situations in which you'd commit suicide?

robertorex · Jun 19, 2009

if I was one of forty midgets enclosed in a battle to the death with a lion, I would gladly throw myself at the beast facefirst for the horde.

Piobaire · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by m@T

a guy I knew very casually here (it is a very small community for expats) threw himself out of a window three weeks ago.

******* horrible, completely inexplicable, and an awful awful way to do it.

So selfish....

Some hold that suicide is the most selfish act possible.

unjung · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Some hold that suicide is the most selfish act possible.

Would it be better just to disappear?

why · Jun 19, 2009

The 'selfish' argument always seems to be oft-repeated and never explainable or understood. It's the go-to, standardised way of objecting. People aren't puppets or little toys for others to play with, and if a friend treated me as such then I had clearly misjudged our relationship.

Thomas · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by LabelKing

I don't know why there is so much controversy over suicide.

If someone wants to off themselves, it's their prerogative.

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Some hold that suicide is the most selfish act possible.

I've been turning this whole suicide business over in my head over the last week - conceptually, not considering it - and I'm kind-of-sort-of coming to grips with the reasons behind society's view.

If suicide is correlated with depression, then it betokens a mental illness, right? And does not society have a duty to its members to help one another? Don't we? I don't know.

Piobaire · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by why

The 'selfish' argument always seems to be oft-repeated and never explainable or understood. It's the go-to, standardised way of objecting. People aren't puppets or little toys for others to play with, and if a friend treated me as such then I had clearly misjudged our relationship.

Why is it, merely because someone might deem it selfish, you feel they are objecting? That's a very interesting value judgment on your part.

IIIrd Icon · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Some hold that suicide is the most selfish act possible.

tho' in other culture, it's to keep one's dignity intact.

Piobaire · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by IIIrd Icon

tho' in other culture, it's to keep one's dignity.

This desire, such as say seppuku, could be deemed a selfish desire.

yachtie · Jun 19, 2009

IIIrd Icon · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by Piobaire

This desire, such as say seppuku, could be deemed a selfish desire.

by whom?

Piobaire · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by IIIrd Icon

by whom?

By those that would consider putting one's dignity above the interests of other people?

Mauby · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by unjung

Would it be better just to disappear?
That would be a much better option...runaway to a third world country and create a new identity. Of course, I don't think people attempting/committing suicide are thinking rationally which is why I diagree with:

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Some hold that suicide is the most selfish act possible.
In most cases, I don't think the one committing suicide is acting in a selfish manner...I think they have simply lost the ability to think rationally and not in the M. Night Shyamalan's The Happening kind of way [note to self: add that to overappreciated movie thread] I was 30 seconds too late when a neighbor killed himself. I took it hard for a little while, not because we were great friends or anything, but because I kept thinking I could have stopped it if I were there. The pain his family still endures must be tremendous.

Piobaire · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by Mauby

In most cases, I don't think the one committing suicide is acting in a selfish manner...I think they have simply lost the ability to think rationally and not in the M. Night Shyamalan's The Happening kind of way [note to self: add that to overappreciated movie thread] I was 30 seconds too late when a neighbor killed himself. I took it hard for a little while, not because we were great friends or anything, but because I kept thinking I could have stopped it if I were there. The pain his family still endures must be tremendous.

Oh, don't think this is my position. I just was tossing it out there based off another post. I think suicide is a totally valid action in a free society, **** the motivations.

Mauby · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Oh, don't think this is my position. I just was tossing it out there based off another post. I think suicide is a totally valid action in a free society, **** the motivations.

No, I didn't think that was your opinion...as your statement starts "Some hold..." not "I think..."

why · Jun 19, 2009

Originally Posted by Piobaire

Why is it, merely because someone might deem it selfish, you feel they are objecting?

Is there another reason for calling it selfish?

Are there certain situations in which you'd commit suicide?

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