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Let me break it down for you:

You are a spoiled brat, and a spoiled brat you will remain. Independent of all other social, racial, cultural and intellectual factors, there is a dizzying sense of entitlement about you.

Be happy with the astonishing advantages in geography, social position, health, wealth, education, intellect(?), opportunity and social network that you have been granted and do not bemoan the fact that some African-American business magnate's son had an easier time getting in to Brown.

If you want to address the (in)justice of AA, don't do so in a way that is so clearly self-pitying. There are arguments to be made on both sides.

wharrrgarblasians are oppressed ain't one of them.

We are all prone to ignorance and there are many generally ignorant people, but it is quite special for someone to so gleefully embrace ignorance and hold it out in his palm, like an imbecile showing off his recently soiled underwear. You must be a very, very special person.
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Why is it ok for black people to whine about slavery but Asian people are not free to whine about affirmative action? What do you think the 13th, 14th and 15th amendment was about, if not freedom for all?

Whine away!

The only true oppressed class is the Jews. 1000s of years of anti-semitism and a holocaust.

But since we own the Banks, the Media , and control the world through nefarious schemes like the Bilderberg Group and a vast lobbying effort we forgive everyone.
post #273 of 330
When a lion meets another with a louder roar 'the first lion thinks the last a bore'.
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I will say one thing. If I am ever in deep legal trouble, and if I can afford him, I am hiring the foo. I can be photographed leaning over the body with a bloody knife, caught with the victim's DNA all over my hands, and recorded on the phone saying "I killed that bitch with my Shun" and foo will fight to assert my innocence until his last breath. That's what you need to take into a courtroom, baby.

Thanks, man(ton)! Just send me a PM.
post #275 of 330
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
Thanks, man(ton)! Just send me a PM.

Guessing you've never even seen the inside of a courtroom...
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Guessing you've never even seen the inside of a courtroom...

Nope. Well, not as a lawyer.
post #277 of 330
Let's assume that mafoofan makes or is allowed roughly, say, 250k/year. Manton is leisured (and smarter), so I'll leave him out. Because mafoofan is so very stupid (read thread for proof), we can also assume that he has not been able to do anything but write these posts for the past two days. This thread has cost America at least $2000 in lost productivity. That is like 60% of a Rubinacci jacket, and also just like slaves costing America because they kept breaking things (if only James Scott had been born 150 years sooner, he could've made sure those tricky slaves got punished). You want a definitive empirical argument for affirmative action being wrong? It's apparently the only thing that got mafoofan into Brown, and look where that's gotten all of us. Two years ago, I would've dedicated hours to fighting it out in this thread, hurting people's feelings. Now I come back, and Manton has my job? I suppose you have the money to retire, but what is life without work? [edit]
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But race aside, I don't think we want a society where we punish people for their wealth. Oh wait . . .
I want a society that punishes you for existing.
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post
Why is it ok for black people to whine about slavery but Asian people are not free to whine about affirmative action? What do you think the 13th, 14th and 15th amendment was about, if not freedom for all?
They were about freedom for black people. Is Manton really the only person in here who's read a fucking book?
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
We are all prone to ignorance and there are many generally ignorant people, but it is quite special for someone to so gleefully embrace ignorance and hold it out in his palm, like an imbecile showing off his recently soiled underwear. You must be a very, very special person.
I am amazed that you have made it this far. And that you spent 40 minutes working on that insult.
post #278 of 330
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Why is it ok for black people to whine about slavery but Asian people are not free to whine about affirmative action? What do you think the 13th, 14th and 15th amendment was about, if not freedom for all?

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Originally Posted by Arethusa View Post
. . .

They were about freedom for black people. Is Manton really the only person in here who's read a fucking book?
. . .
All that effort for naught.
It is humbling to know that no matter how hard I try, I still can't make myself the dumbest poster in this thread.
post #279 of 330
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All that effort for naught.
It is humbling to know that no matter how hard I try, I still can't make myself the dumbest poster in this thread.

Its your fault for intentionally baiting the hook. Surely you had to know you might end up with a stupidfish on the line. You have a real live one in Arethusa. Sport fishing at its finest.
post #280 of 330
did foof really say AA and slavery were analogous?
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This thread is long. Folks would have been better off exchanging cell numbers and arguing over the phone.
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did foof really say AA and slavery were analogous?

No. What I said doesn't matter, only that Manton is necessarily right and slavery is really, really bad.
post #283 of 330
nvm. I should know better.
post #284 of 330
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
No.

*cough*

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Given that slaveowners wanted to grow crops and make money, African Americans were, in effect, collateral damage of slavery, too.

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
Obviously, the magnitude differs. Yet, the ultimate purpose of slavery was not to enslave blacks, but to provide an economic benefit to those who enslaved them. Similarly, the ultimate purpose of affirmative action and other diversity policies is to make social institutions more racially diverse, not to unfairly disadvantage Asians. Thus, as far as intention goes, the harm suffered in both cases is "collateral."

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I don't mean to understate the difference in magnitude, but we are talking about harm of the same kind. In both cases, people of a non-material classification are institutionally disadvantaged for the sake of achieving a greater policy goal. If not for such harm, neither slavery nor diversity policies would be bad.

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But to be clear, I am not saying affirmative action is anywhere nearly as unjust as slavery. I am simply saying they stem from comparable trains of thought: some should be systematically disadvantaged regardless of merit or character in order for others to advance.

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I've said it over and over again, and very explicitly: slavery was magnitudes more unjust than affirmative action is now. But that doesn't mean the latter is not unjust for similar reasons.

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Please explain how "You work, I'll eat" is different from "some should be systematically disadvantaged regardless of merit or character in order for others to advance." In order for slaveowners to grow more crops, make more money, eat more food, etc., they put slaves at a crippling political disadvantage.
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*cough*

Where did I say slavery and affirmative action are analogous??? Yes, they are analagous in particular respects, which I conveniently identified in the very statements you quoted, but I never said they were entirely analogous. I'm not sure how many different ways I can make that clear. Jesus Christ.

Remember the Ferrari and the apple? I thought that was a pretty easy-to-understand metaphor.

FERRARI. APPLE. RED. AAAAARGGGH.
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