Originally Posted by Cool The Kid - Cheap asses... riding can be super cheap if you are OK with the risk and the slight goofiness of riding around in the right gear
It can be cheap with a few caveats:
1. It is your only means of transportation
2. You live somewhere you can ride year round
There is no way I could get away with only a motorcycle for transportation, as much as I'd love to. Otherwise, the cost of gas difference is not even close to being made up by the insurance and purchase/ownership cost of motorcycle.
Originally Posted by Cool The Kid - City folks- like I said my bike was my only ride for a while, because my wife and I needed a way to get around and more importantly out of NYC
This seems like a good call to me. As mentioned, motorcycles, motored-bicycles, scooters, et al. are dominant in cities in countries outside the U.S.
A city seems more conducive to getting away with only a motorcycle for transportation, too.
If U.S. legislation permitted lane-splitting country-wide it would probably be great incentive to go 2-wheels in cities.
Originally Posted by Cool The Kid - Auto enthusiasts... a lowly SV650 has straight line performance and engagement you would have to pay 6 figures for on four wheels (at least outside of shit like the FF 818, Ariel Atom etc)
This is where my friends and I, that are Gen-Yers (born '84 here), fit in. I don't have many friends who are auto enthusiasts, and less that actually wrench. The ones who do wrench, myself included, own or want to own a motorcycle, simply because it seems fun, fast, something to work on...
Originally Posted by Cool The Kid - Hipsters- nuff said
Hipsters overlap with cheap-asses, but they go for scooters/mopeds like they do fixie bikes over a more practical geared-bicycle. Moped army, dude! They have no interest in anything that costs any sort of money and is shiney and new.
Originally Posted by Cool The Kid
As we see it didn't really pan out. It still pretty much looks like a new Harley. I'd rather an old Sportster.
What Harley needs is a modern 90 degree V twin in a standard (i.e. less than 27-30 degree rake and more than a 30 inch seat height) chassis. Not to replace the Ultra Glides but just to supplant them. I think if they just came out with some basic motorcycles they could get some new riders.
What you described is the Monster; seems like it'd be an uphill battle to compete here.
Though, I agree, for me, Sportster is the only Harley I'd own.
Originally Posted by brokencycle
Don't forget that Harley for a long time was really the only American made motorcycle. I know there is Victory now, but that just started up in 1998. A lot of people who ride Harleys are middle-class, blue-collar kind of people -- who buy American as much as they can. So without any competition from another American manufacturer Harley didn't need to innovate or do much.
Now they have competition from Victory, and I think it has been good for them.
This is so true.
I'm a big proponent of American/Union made products, from clothes to cars.
The U.S. motorcycle offerings are abysmal. Buell is (was) the only real option.
The only really intriguing offering of late was the XR1200, which is inferior to any Buell.
But, I feel like most Millennials couldn't care less about country-of-origin.
I like what Polaris is doing with Indian; a big, Harley-like, US-made cruiser for the 21st century.