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post #3661 of 4526
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Originally Posted by TRINI View Post

Cool. I'm gonna check out these Held ones at a local spot when I get a chance.

http://townmoto.com/riding-gear/gloves/held-orkney-winter-glove

 

Oh shit, those look great; keep us updated :fistbump:

post #3662 of 4526
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Looks like most of them took their plates off for the ride...these guys were looking for trouble.

Yeah my riding buddies and I have been discussing it. Personally, I think when he tapped the guys bike who had clearly clicked into neutral to grandstand for the camera, they probably put the FEAR into him when he stopped. He had a two year old and his wife in the car. I mean I feel bad for the squid who got hurt, because it seems like he wasn't one of the main aggressors. But if the guy felt his family was threatened, there was really only one way out. Too bad he didn't have a cow catcher on his SUV.
post #3663 of 4526
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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post

Yeah my riding buddies and I have been discussing it. Personally, I think when he tapped the guys bike who had clearly clicked into neutral to grandstand for the camera, they probably put the FEAR into him when he stopped. He had a two year old and his wife in the car. I mean I feel bad for the squid who got hurt, because it seems like he wasn't one of the main aggressors. But if the guy felt his family was threatened, there was really only one way out. Too bad he didn't have a cow catcher on his SUV.

Yeah, some of them have been posting online saying his panicked getaway was unwarranted because "we wuz just trying to talk to da guy." Uh-huh. I'm betting that during that conversation, the poor guy would have fallen a few times.
post #3664 of 4526

I thought the one rider swerved in front and brake-checked him, then got bumped. Either way, I would not want to get that close to a group ride as a cager. But once shit went bad, there is no way in hell I'd stick around a bunch of pissed off riders banging on your car, trying to pull you out; there's only one direction that action is headed. Just trying to "talk", lol...

 

It's mishaps like this where I can't decide if the 2nd amendment is a great thing or a terrible thing.

post #3665 of 4526

It seemed to me that the driver was upset about the bikes in his way  and was tailgating them and that was the first mistake.  You can clearly hear them blipping their throttles and looking back at the RR.  No one was really speeding, looked to be about 45-50 mph which is somewhere around the speed limit 

 

Mistake #2 happened when the rider in the t shirt looked over at the driver, changed lanes and then brake checked the guy which caused the accident.  Not everyone might have seen why the brake check but most of the riders were aware that the RR was driving too closely to the bikes. I know it sounds funny considering that group's reputation but think of an occasion when you were riding in a group of 8 or more and a car attempted to bully its way through your group.  It makes your blood boil.

 

from the driver's perspective, he was being targeted by the angered riders and did what he had to do to get away.

 

from the riders' perspective, the crazy azz cager that had been tailing the group just hit "Bob" on purpose.  Then when confronted, he drove off and ran over more bikes as well as a person.  He needs to pay!

 

 

 

And this is why I don't ride in groups larger than 6.  Too many chances for things to go wrong.

post #3666 of 4526
Did you watch the same video I watched?

The pack of riders comes up on the RR, passing it on both sides. There is a clear space in front of them, its not like these guys were just riding along and this RR pulled in between them.

Then one guy, with no plates, swerves into the RR's lane (for a while he is sharing the lane with the RR, and is not clear ahead). Then he pulls ahead of the RR and brake checks him (while looking backwards to make sure he doesn't do it so hard that he actually hurts himself). The RR driver is surrounded on all sides and has no options. If he brakes hard to avoid the rider, he will hit someone behind him...if he swerves, he will hit one of the riders next to him. After making contact with the rider, he appears to do what you are supposed to do--pull over and stop--at which point they supposedly start banging on his car (can't see because the camera is far ahead) and he realizes it is time to GTFO.

Maybe the RR did something wrong from the perspective of the guys in the back who didn't see this happen...but from the video's perspective, it is pretty clear what happened.
post #3667 of 4526
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Did you watch the same video I watched?

 

I watched it a few times in full screen at 720p and then watched it in slow motion.

 

 

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The pack of riders comes up on the RR, passing it on both sides. There is a clear space in front of them, its not like these guys were just riding along and this RR pulled in between them.

 

True.  But the RR appeared to get too close to the riders ahead of him.  They slowed down from about 45-50 mph to about 20-25 mph all while blipping their throttle with one person actually blowing his horn.  This doesn't happen unless "something" is going on and I suspect it was tailgating by the RR.  If the riders  intent was to block traffic for the stunt/wheelie boys to do their thing, they wouldn't have dropped their speed that low.

 

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Then one guy, with no plates, swerves into the RR's lane (for a while he is sharing the lane with the RR, and is not clear ahead). Then he pulls ahead of the RR and brake checks him (while looking backwards to make sure he doesn't do it so hard that he actually hurts himself).

 

That was a bonehead move IMHO

 

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The RR driver is surrounded on all sides and has no options. If he brakes hard to avoid the rider, he will hit someone behind him...if he swerves, he will hit one of the riders next to him.

 

Yes it did have options - he could have braked further.  Most bikes can outbrake a 6,000 lb suv, especially at 20-25 mph.

 

 

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After making contact with the rider, he appears to do what you are supposed to do--pull over and stop--at which point they supposedly start banging on his car (can't see because the camera is far ahead) and he realizes it is time to GTFO.

 

True.  Some of the riders' emotional responses to one of their number going down did not help the situation.  But suddenly driving off and running another rider over was a bit extreme IMO

 

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Maybe the RR did something wrong from the perspective of the guys in the back who didn't see this happen...but from the video's perspective, it is pretty clear what happened.

 

That was my point.  It was all a matter of perspective. From the rider perspective, the relatively low speed chase was reasonable as well.  They went waaaaay over the line with the vandalism and assault

 

 

Anyway that was my analysis of the video

post #3668 of 4526
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post
 

Yes it did have options - he could have braked further.  Most bikes can outbrake a 6,000 lb suv, especially at 20-25 mph.

 

No way man. 6000lbs or not, that RR will easily out-brake most bikes with an average rider; four wheels will do that.

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No way man. 6000lbs or not, that RR will easily out-brake most bikes with an average rider; four wheels will do that.

 

I dunno - the 2013 Range Rover Sport brakes from 60 in 131 feet and that's the sporty model.  That's pretty far. Then again it doesn't take a great driver to brake at that distance because all he/she has to do is jam the pedal til it stops which isn't the case on a non-ABS equipped bike

post #3670 of 4526
The braking speed of a low speed range rover is going to far exceed the reaction time of a rider who is tailgating behind it and can't see over the tall/fat vehicle in front of them to realize that their asshat friend is about to do something stupid.

Really sucks for the guy who got run over...He was just trying to help (hence his not being next to the car beating on it) and now because his buddies are the dregs of society (after what this group has done in past years, anyone should know what is up before joining in on the fun), he may be paralyzed for life.
post #3671 of 4526
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The braking speed of a low speed range rover is going to far exceed the reaction time of a rider who is tailgating behind it and can't see over the tall/fat vehicle in front of them to realize that their asshat friend is about to do something stupid.

I'm not so certain about that. I remember being taught that bikes brake slower than cars and they still teach that today. In general, maybe it's still true but modern sport bikes like they were riding? They seem to have the braking tech of modern sports cars on a vehicle that's much lighter; I've been very impressed with the braking on my CBR600RR.
post #3672 of 4526
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Really sucks for the guy who got run over...He was just trying to help (hence his not being next to the car beating on it) and now because his buddies are the dregs of society (after what this group has done in past years, anyone should know what is up before joining in on the fun), he may be paralyzed for life.

 

How do you know he was trying to help? I can't tell anything from the video. You're going off what his family and crew said. All I see is he gets off his bike and makes his way to the Range Rover immediately. The initial biker that brake checked the Range Rover never went down, so who was he checking on to be in front of the Range Rover?

 

 

BTW he (guy in coma) shouldn't have even been on the road. Boston Globe reports he has never held a drivers license let a lone a motorcycle license. He has numerous tickets.

 

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Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said.

Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/10/01/lawrence-man-seriously-injured-nyc-incident-involving-suv-and-motorcyclists/jHju3V1xAOsdF6Q2vT8BaL/story.html


Edited by David23 - 10/3/13 at 5:05am
post #3673 of 4526

A buddy of mine is what I call like to call a video motojournalist that likes "to capture the life and times of the urban rider" . He said the full video was not released to the public.  The way he described it, the bikes were already on the highway.  Then RR got on and instead of waiting to merge, it bulled through, clipped 2 bikes in the process and didn't stop.  At that point the bikers surrounded the RR in an attempt to get him to stop up to and including the brake check. 

 

This scenario makes sense to me because the riders seemed agitated at the beginning of the video which I stated after viewing it a couple of times.  Something that the RR did off camera had  them on edge. 

My friend also stated that the police have the entire video and that is the reason they haven't definitively ruled out prosecuting the RR driver.

post #3674 of 4526
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A buddy of mine is what I call like to call a video motojournalist that likes "to capture the life and times of the urban rider" . He said the full video was not released to the public.  The way he described it, the bikes were already on the highway.  Then RR got on and instead of waiting to merge, it bulled through, clipped 2 bikes in the process and didn't stop.  At that point the bikers surrounded the RR in an attempt to get him to stop up to and including the brake check. 

 

This scenario makes sense to me because the riders seemed agitated at the beginning of the video which I stated after viewing it a couple of times.  Something that the RR did off camera had  them on edge. 

My friend also stated that the police have the entire video and that is the reason they haven't definitively ruled out prosecuting the RR driver.

 

And why would they cut that out of the original video? The guy posted 7+ videos from the day, before this story became huge and he got scared and decided to remove them. None showed that incident. 

 

It doesn't make sense that the Range Rover guy would put his family including his 2 year old daughter at risk.

 

 

Edit: There's even video from a previous run where they assaulted a Prius owner for doing nothing wrong. Search it. 

post #3675 of 4526
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

This scenario makes sense to me because the riders seemed agitated at the beginning of the video which I stated after viewing it a couple of times.  Something that the RR did off camera had  them on edge. 

My friend also stated that the police have the entire video and that is the reason they haven't definitively ruled out prosecuting the RR driver.

I can totally believe something went down before the idiotic attempt to brake-check a 5,000-lb SUV with a 400-lb motorcycle. What I can't believe is that 30+ irate bikers wanted to have a civil chat about road etiquette, and that's why they were trying to recklessly, illegally force the vehicle to a stop. "Pardon me, sir, but that previous lane merge was basely done - a most foul move! By the way, do you have any Grey Poupon? No? Ah,well, then, good day."

And I'd say it's 50/50 the guy was in the wrong in whatever move he pulled when merging; based on their videos, I doubt he disrupted an orderly procession of disciplined, sedate riding at legal speeds.
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