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post #3661 of 4606
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Did you watch the same video I watched?

 

I watched it a few times in full screen at 720p and then watched it in slow motion.

 

 

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The pack of riders comes up on the RR, passing it on both sides. There is a clear space in front of them, its not like these guys were just riding along and this RR pulled in between them.

 

True.  But the RR appeared to get too close to the riders ahead of him.  They slowed down from about 45-50 mph to about 20-25 mph all while blipping their throttle with one person actually blowing his horn.  This doesn't happen unless "something" is going on and I suspect it was tailgating by the RR.  If the riders  intent was to block traffic for the stunt/wheelie boys to do their thing, they wouldn't have dropped their speed that low.

 

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Then one guy, with no plates, swerves into the RR's lane (for a while he is sharing the lane with the RR, and is not clear ahead). Then he pulls ahead of the RR and brake checks him (while looking backwards to make sure he doesn't do it so hard that he actually hurts himself).

 

That was a bonehead move IMHO

 

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The RR driver is surrounded on all sides and has no options. If he brakes hard to avoid the rider, he will hit someone behind him...if he swerves, he will hit one of the riders next to him.

 

Yes it did have options - he could have braked further.  Most bikes can outbrake a 6,000 lb suv, especially at 20-25 mph.

 

 

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After making contact with the rider, he appears to do what you are supposed to do--pull over and stop--at which point they supposedly start banging on his car (can't see because the camera is far ahead) and he realizes it is time to GTFO.

 

True.  Some of the riders' emotional responses to one of their number going down did not help the situation.  But suddenly driving off and running another rider over was a bit extreme IMO

 

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Maybe the RR did something wrong from the perspective of the guys in the back who didn't see this happen...but from the video's perspective, it is pretty clear what happened.

 

That was my point.  It was all a matter of perspective. From the rider perspective, the relatively low speed chase was reasonable as well.  They went waaaaay over the line with the vandalism and assault

 

 

Anyway that was my analysis of the video

post #3662 of 4606
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Yes it did have options - he could have braked further.  Most bikes can outbrake a 6,000 lb suv, especially at 20-25 mph.

 

No way man. 6000lbs or not, that RR will easily out-brake most bikes with an average rider; four wheels will do that.

post #3663 of 4606
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No way man. 6000lbs or not, that RR will easily out-brake most bikes with an average rider; four wheels will do that.

 

I dunno - the 2013 Range Rover Sport brakes from 60 in 131 feet and that's the sporty model.  That's pretty far. Then again it doesn't take a great driver to brake at that distance because all he/she has to do is jam the pedal til it stops which isn't the case on a non-ABS equipped bike

post #3664 of 4606
The braking speed of a low speed range rover is going to far exceed the reaction time of a rider who is tailgating behind it and can't see over the tall/fat vehicle in front of them to realize that their asshat friend is about to do something stupid.

Really sucks for the guy who got run over...He was just trying to help (hence his not being next to the car beating on it) and now because his buddies are the dregs of society (after what this group has done in past years, anyone should know what is up before joining in on the fun), he may be paralyzed for life.
post #3665 of 4606
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The braking speed of a low speed range rover is going to far exceed the reaction time of a rider who is tailgating behind it and can't see over the tall/fat vehicle in front of them to realize that their asshat friend is about to do something stupid.

I'm not so certain about that. I remember being taught that bikes brake slower than cars and they still teach that today. In general, maybe it's still true but modern sport bikes like they were riding? They seem to have the braking tech of modern sports cars on a vehicle that's much lighter; I've been very impressed with the braking on my CBR600RR.
post #3666 of 4606
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Really sucks for the guy who got run over...He was just trying to help (hence his not being next to the car beating on it) and now because his buddies are the dregs of society (after what this group has done in past years, anyone should know what is up before joining in on the fun), he may be paralyzed for life.

 

How do you know he was trying to help? I can't tell anything from the video. You're going off what his family and crew said. All I see is he gets off his bike and makes his way to the Range Rover immediately. The initial biker that brake checked the Range Rover never went down, so who was he checking on to be in front of the Range Rover?

 

 

BTW he (guy in coma) shouldn't have even been on the road. Boston Globe reports he has never held a drivers license let a lone a motorcycle license. He has numerous tickets.

 

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Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said.

Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/10/01/lawrence-man-seriously-injured-nyc-incident-involving-suv-and-motorcyclists/jHju3V1xAOsdF6Q2vT8BaL/story.html


Edited by David23 - 10/3/13 at 5:05am
post #3667 of 4606

A buddy of mine is what I call like to call a video motojournalist that likes "to capture the life and times of the urban rider" . He said the full video was not released to the public.  The way he described it, the bikes were already on the highway.  Then RR got on and instead of waiting to merge, it bulled through, clipped 2 bikes in the process and didn't stop.  At that point the bikers surrounded the RR in an attempt to get him to stop up to and including the brake check. 

 

This scenario makes sense to me because the riders seemed agitated at the beginning of the video which I stated after viewing it a couple of times.  Something that the RR did off camera had  them on edge. 

My friend also stated that the police have the entire video and that is the reason they haven't definitively ruled out prosecuting the RR driver.

post #3668 of 4606
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A buddy of mine is what I call like to call a video motojournalist that likes "to capture the life and times of the urban rider" . He said the full video was not released to the public.  The way he described it, the bikes were already on the highway.  Then RR got on and instead of waiting to merge, it bulled through, clipped 2 bikes in the process and didn't stop.  At that point the bikers surrounded the RR in an attempt to get him to stop up to and including the brake check. 

 

This scenario makes sense to me because the riders seemed agitated at the beginning of the video which I stated after viewing it a couple of times.  Something that the RR did off camera had  them on edge. 

My friend also stated that the police have the entire video and that is the reason they haven't definitively ruled out prosecuting the RR driver.

 

And why would they cut that out of the original video? The guy posted 7+ videos from the day, before this story became huge and he got scared and decided to remove them. None showed that incident. 

 

It doesn't make sense that the Range Rover guy would put his family including his 2 year old daughter at risk.

 

 

Edit: There's even video from a previous run where they assaulted a Prius owner for doing nothing wrong. Search it. 

post #3669 of 4606
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This scenario makes sense to me because the riders seemed agitated at the beginning of the video which I stated after viewing it a couple of times.  Something that the RR did off camera had  them on edge. 

My friend also stated that the police have the entire video and that is the reason they haven't definitively ruled out prosecuting the RR driver.

I can totally believe something went down before the idiotic attempt to brake-check a 5,000-lb SUV with a 400-lb motorcycle. What I can't believe is that 30+ irate bikers wanted to have a civil chat about road etiquette, and that's why they were trying to recklessly, illegally force the vehicle to a stop. "Pardon me, sir, but that previous lane merge was basely done - a most foul move! By the way, do you have any Grey Poupon? No? Ah,well, then, good day."

And I'd say it's 50/50 the guy was in the wrong in whatever move he pulled when merging; based on their videos, I doubt he disrupted an orderly procession of disciplined, sedate riding at legal speeds.
post #3670 of 4606
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How do you know he was trying to help? I can't tell anything from the video. You're going off what his family and crew said. All I see is he gets off his bike and makes his way to the Range Rover immediately. The initial biker that brake checked the Range Rover never went down, so who was he checking on to be in front of the Range Rover?


BTW he (guy in coma) shouldn't have even been on the road. Boston Globe reports he has never held a drivers license let a lone a motorcycle license. He has numerous tickets.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/10/01/lawrence-man-seriously-injured-nyc-incident-involving-suv-and-motorcyclists/jHju3V1xAOsdF6Q2vT8BaL/story.html

Dang, I guess he's an asshat too.
I can't say that he was trying to help (beyond what his people said), but the fact that he got hit and run over means he was stopped in front of the car, not over trying to break in the driver's side window.

I mean wtf...he was already banned from the roads until 2017? How do you not get thrown in jail for driving without licensing and insurance continuously over a 10+ year period where you are getting ticketed frequently?
There's a reason we require a license...and it is to keep idiots like these guys off the road. We all know how stupidly easy it is to get and maintain a license no matter how bad a driver you are, so the fact that he couldn't manage that is saying something.
post #3671 of 4606
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Dang, I guess he's an asshat too.
I can't say that he was trying to help (beyond what his people said), but the fact that he got hit and run over means he was stopped in front of the car, not over trying to break in the driver's side window.

 

Wouldn't you agree the blame for his injury then falls on his biker pals? They were slashing the tires and damaging the SUV according to reports, when he got hurt.

post #3672 of 4606
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Wouldn't you agree the blame for his injury then falls on his biker pals? They were slashing the tires and damaging the SUV according to reports, when he got hurt.

 

I am sure that some of those riders were not licensed, some of he bikes weren't road legal and more than a few of them were probably hot.  That all being said if it turns out the RR driver hit 2 riders because of aggressive driving without stopping then it was the RR driver's actions that instigated the entire sorry episode and the fault for the injured rider rests squarely on him.  IMHO of course


Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 10/3/13 at 10:03am
post #3673 of 4606
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I am sure that some of those riders were not licensed, some of he bikes weren't road legal and more than a few of them were probably hot.  That all being said if it turns out the RR driver hit 2 riders because of aggressive driving without stopping then it was the RR driver's actions that instigated the entire sorry episode so the fault for the injured rider rests squarely on him.  IMHO

 

Disagree. It's on both parties if that's the situation. That still doesn't give the bikers the right to stop traffic on a highway, use a brake check and assault someone. They aren't above the law. They could have taken down the license plate and report to the police; you'd think they would have video evidence as well. .  

post #3674 of 4606
You guys do realize they were clearing the highway to do stunts and were pissed that the guy in the Range Rover kept driving? They were blocking off entrances to the highway as well.

If someone threatened my car with my kids in it, I wouldn't have taken off, I would have made sure to run over every single one of them, back and forth.
post #3675 of 4606
Are we sure it was a brake check? Dude took his hands off the bars to pose for a camera...
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