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post #3556 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

None of the current Japanese bikes has any character or soul...well other than the VMax and that isn't my kind of bike.

The American public has steadfastly refused to buy any Japanese bike with character for decades. They make them, the press raves, and we all go get another Sportster. Watch how things go with the CB1100.
post #3557 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Fang66 View Post

 

 

::sigh::

 

Yes, there is the GTR. Not much for comfort as a daily driver, but it is one hell of a driving machine. I'd love to take one of those for a spin.

 

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Originally Posted by andrewgreg View Post

Any Harley guys here? I was at the dealership to try some of their bikes.

All the Dyna's too tall for me my legs can hardly touch the ground. The sportster Forty eight with 1200 engine fit me very well and cost about 10k. Also they have a Softtail Slim. Really perfect but that thing is about 17k holy shit I don't want to spend that much.

So right now my only options are Sportster or Softail used. As I will ride it going to school sometimes, a Softail would be "too much" for me? I'm 5'8'' and pretty young.

A friend of mine has a V rod that thing is fast as fuck.

 

 

Probably the only Harley I'd consider is the Fat Bob

 

 

I'm not really into Harleys and it's always the guys riding these bikes in particular who don't give anyone else "The Wave."  The whole culture of it is too... insular. And you're always paying in the neighborhood of $20k for something that shakes and rattles worse than a Furby in heat.:bounce2: Still, the Fat Bob is one sexy beast (even if its 1600+cc engine only makes 63bhp). As for the Sportster, I feel like it tries to be on the one hand sporty and on the other hand cruisery and thus, fails at both. Of course the same could probably be said for my bike...

 

 

And I would agree with the assessment.

post #3558 of 4529
FUCK the GT-R. Yes, its competent, fast, even fun to drive... but it is the definition of soulless. Sounds like a vacuum cleaner and is the automotive equivalent of:

Performance cars need to get back to the mantra of "less is more". The first M5 weighed ~3400lbs. That's less than a 6 banger 3 series today. It's absurd. We need more Ariel Atoms and Factory Five 818s. [/endrant]

I totally forgot about the RC51. Def gonna look at those when the opportunity comes. Honda 996
post #3559 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

FUCK the GT-R. Yes, its competent, fast, even fun to drive... but it is the definition of soulless. Sounds like a vacuum cleaner and is the automotive equivalent of:

 

 

:rotflmao:

 

 

 

 

ahem

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, getting off topic.

post #3560 of 4529
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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post




And I would agree with the assessment.

I don't think I've ever seen a t-bird or speedmaster in the wild. Chicago's crawling with Bonnies, Striples and the like but cruisers, not so much.
post #3561 of 4529

I've seen maybe 3-4 of Triumph's cruisers on the road besides mine in the past few years in Boston, and I live in the same neighborhood as my dealership. They are very uncommon choices, probably because you can get reliable, boring Japanese cruisers for cheaper that "look just like a Harley!" or, if you're an older guy looking for a shiny, high-torque-low-horsepower money pit, there's Harley itself.

 

But Triumph cruisers, for being cruisers, have a surprising amount of power, handling and reliability. And they've got their own style and character. More fun, I say, to stand out from the pack.

 

 

If I were to upgrade my Speedy to something heavier, faster and more cushy, I'd probably go with the T-Bird (MSRP $13.5k) over any other cruiser.

 

 

But I think I'll get the STriple first.

 

 

 

 

Because life's to short to always be riding a cruiser.

post #3562 of 4529
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Originally Posted by andrewgreg View Post

Any Harley guys here? I was at the dealership to try some of their bikes.

All the Dyna's too tall for me my legs can hardly touch the ground. The sportster Forty eight with 1200 engine fit me very well and cost about 10k. Also they have a Softtail Slim. Really perfect but that thing is about 17k holy shit I don't want to spend that much.

So right now my only options are Sportster or Softail used. As I will ride it going to school sometimes, a Softail would be "too much" for me? I'm 5'8'' and pretty young.

A friend of mine has a V rod that thing is fast as fuck.

I would go used. How much riding have you done? The thing is, Harleys are expensive, and they are very heavy. New riders and heavy bikes don't really mix. I don't think I could pick one up if I dropped it.
post #3563 of 4529

The Fonz rode a Triumph

post #3564 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

Performance cars need to get back to the mantra of "less is more". The first M5 weighed ~3400lbs. That's less than a 6 banger 3 series today. It's absurd. We need more Ariel Atoms and Factory Five 818s. [/endrant]

 

Simplify, then add lightness ;)

 

As stated, I have a ~3k lbs cap. Anything much heavier ruins the experience, IMO. The GT-R is way too heavy. It's ugly, too. I'd take an R34, though. And then you could add a Supra in the mix at that point, too.

 

I see more Ducati's in Portland than anything. In the burbs (Beaverton) I see Bonneville's and old BMW's, and a ton of Harley's. I've also seen a fair amount of Triumphs cruising Mich Ave in Chicago. From what I've heard, NYC (presumably Brooklyn) is dominated by old CB's done up cafe style. Michigan is all Harley's or Japanese sport bikes.

post #3565 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

FUCK the GT-R. Yes, its competent, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
fast, even fun to drive... but it is the definition of soulless. Sounds like a vacuum cleaner and is the automotive equivalent of:

Performance cars need to get back to the mantra of "less is more". The first M5 weighed ~3400lbs. That's less than a 6 banger 3 series today. It's absurd. We need more Ariel Atoms and Factory Five 818s. [/endrant]

I totally forgot about the RC51. Def gonna look at those when the opportunity comes. Honda 996

And this is a reasonably attractive woman with quite nice boobs.

post #3566 of 4529
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Originally Posted by MarioImpemba View Post

 

Define what character or soul means to you.

 

Not keen on the CB1100? Upcoming FZ-09?

 

 

It's something that is hard to describe, the bike just speaks to you.  It doesn't have to be European but it does have to have something that seems odd works out right.  I have heard Ducatistas bemoaning the fact that the new Ducs have wet clutches and no timing belts to change every 7k miles.  Would you believe that in order to test the tension of the belts, you have to pluck it and measure the harmonic output with a guitar tuner?  WTF?  That's crazy yet endearing.

 

It's not just some seemingly backwards technology that gives a bike character or soul.  The 1st & 2nd gen Aprilia Tuono had soul...the jury is still out on the current V4 beast.  The 883 fakes like it has soul but what it really wants/needs is a lot of loctite.  Triumph bikes seem to have it as did the RC51 and the VFR750s.  The Honda Pacific Coast was the most soul-less machine ever created.  Most air cooled BMW boxers have soul but those K bikes?  Nope.  Ditto with the S1000RR.  The 04 ZX10 was a special beast but the later ones lost something.  The original R1s had something as did the original CBR900 with it's lopsided (16" front, 17" rear) wheels.

 

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Originally Posted by MarioImpemba View Post
 

 

Not keen on the CB1100? Upcoming FZ-09?

 

The CB1100 is Honda's version of Kawasaki's ZRX1200 Zephyr. 

 

[kaw1.jpg]

 

 

The big Zephyr tried to bring back the Eddie Lawson glory days by combining new technology with old styling.  That shit didn't work for them and I don't think it will work for Honda. Remember the Honda GB500 and how well it did? 

 

http://www.oldrice.com/images/GB500%20Motorcyclist%2089.jpg


Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 9/18/13 at 1:35pm
post #3567 of 4529
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post


It's something that is hard to describe, the bike just speaks to you.  It doesn't have to be European but it does have to have something that seems odd works out right.  I have heard Ducatistas bemoaning the fact that the new Ducs have wet clutches and no timing belts to change every 7k miles.  Would you believe that in order to test the tension of the belts, you have to pluck it and measure the harmonic output with a guitar tuner?  WTF?  That's crazy yet endearing.

It's not just some seemingly backwards technology that gives a bike character or soul.  The 1st & 2nd gen Aprilia Tuono had soul...the jury is still out on the current V4 beast.  The 883 fakes like it has soul but what it really wants/needs is a lot of loctite.  Triumph bikes seem to have it as did the RC51 and the VFR750s.  The Honda Pacific Coast was the most soul-less machine ever created.  Most air cooled BMW boxers have soul but those K bikes?  Nope.  Ditto with the S1000RR.  The 04 ZX10 was a special beast but the later ones lost something.  The original R1s had something as did the original CBR900 with it's lopsided (16" front, 17" rear) wheels.

I disagree completely. There is nothing endearing about spending time I could be riding doing extra maintenance. If you like working on bikes or if you have something you want to do to it, that's fine, but I rather ride than be changing timing belts or something similar.
post #3568 of 4529
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


I disagree completely. There is nothing endearing about spending time I could be riding doing extra maintenance. If you like working on bikes or if you have something you want to do to it, that's fine, but I rather ride than be changing timing belts or something similar.

 

I believe that as well yet the sentiment persists.  Some older Duc owners look at newer Duc owners as Johnny-Come-Lately poseurs

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post #3570 of 4529

Soul is something you bring, not the bike. Or else it's just what marketing call a soul. The RC51 has a "soul" because it's an HRC machine for the street, won a shitload of titles but like any bike or car for that matters, it's only a piece of scrap metal in the end.

 

Looking at cars, my hondas were much more fun to drive and to live with than my porsche was, and for some people porsches are the top of the automobile line.

 

The ZRX is a very good bike. A friend of mine had one, now moved on to a 1100 guzzi corsaro and he still misses the ZRX. Kawasakis really special to drive, impossible to tell why, but they're waaayyy more enjoyable than any other. After two ZX6R, i would never ride a gsxr as far as mid range sportsbike goes.

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