Originally Posted by SplasH
Being bored with a small bike doesn't mean being able to drive a big one... The new Kawasaki 300 ninja is in my opinion the best beginner bike there is today.
Starting with 100+ hp, or even almost 200 on a R-1, on a first bike is complete nonsense. Surviving the first year means either you're only using half of it, rendering it totally useless compared to a cheaper R6 if we stay in sports yamaha, or you're just very lucky.
Everybody can get lucky and survive a few years without a scratch, that doesn't makes it ok to say that anybody can go on and start with a superbike. Telling somebody to go with something according to their skill is just common sense especially when deadly crashes are involved.
Originally Posted by Cool The Kid
Starting on anything but a <500cc is not a good idea, no matter how well you "survive" it. Telling folks 'hey I started on an R1, I survived, you might survive too' is the height of irresponsibility & bad advice, no matter how much you try to rationalize it. Riding is dangerous enough, no need to worsen the odds with bad advice
I knew this was going to happen. I see that misinterpreting what I wrote is happening already which is typical as most people don't read very well (if you're replying to my post).
I never suggested that people should start riding on an R1. I knew that I shouldn't have put it in my post as people would think that I started seriously riding on that bike which I didn't. It was a trade in at a car dealership that I worked at so I bought it to sell and make some money. I took it for a couple of small tools around the neighborhood (and I had already taken an MSF course) but it certainly wasn't a good "first bike" for me which isn't why I got it anyway. I assume that if anyone has the ability to read that they may understand but I don't have much faith in that.
My first serious bike was a Honda VTX 1300 Cruiser which is the same size as a Harley Sportster. When I got it I had more than one MSF course (beginning and advanced) and many hours of practice under my belt before heading out for any serious riding. The bike was extremely comfortable, fit my 6', 225lb frame very well and the power was perfect. Enough to get me out of any trouble on the road yet not underpowered.
As I said earlier, (and since I need to make extra clear what I stated in my original posts) starting out with no experience on a bike that you can't handle is a stupid idea. Why is that even a part of the discussion? Why would anyone be even getting a bike without any experience? There are plenty of free courses that you can take that will give you some great experience for riding a bike and one doesn't even need a bike.
I could handle my bike (VTX) very well and rode within my experience (not that I didn't have a lot to learn - even after several years there's still much more to learn). I wasn't "lucky" and surviving "a few years" with "a superbike". A VTX or Sportster is far from a superbike. Plus if my (or anyone's) skill level matches that of a Sportster or even something like a Deuce I really don't see the purpose in wasting the money buying a Ninja 300 when it's not something that they like or want to ride and they can easily skill-wise handle a bigger bike with more cc's (like a Sportster, Bonneville, Honda 1300 , BMW 800 or 1100 enduro) I'd say go for it. I'm so glad I didn't waste my money and I loved my bike. I knew my limits regarding experience and $. To each his own.Edited by Tck13 - 8/14/13 at 9:35pm