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Originally Posted by TRINI View Post

A guy I met riding bought one less than a year ago as his first bike and he's already looking to sell it. He finds it lacks power on the highway so you might want to take that into consideration. Not saying that you should be buying a more powerful bike but you might want to buy one that's easier to flip if you need to in a couple of months.

 

Buying, registering, insuring, selling, buying another moto and all that over again is a pain in the ass.

 

If your friend had bought a 250 ninja or honda, sounds like he would have wanted to sell immediately then, considering a r60/5 has a higher top speed and hp. It also has more torque and a more usable, linear powerband, for new rider friendliness. Just another reason I think a 250 is a waste of time to purchase and inevitably resell when a 500/600/750 twin would hold you over longer before feeling the need to upgrade, and poses almost no higher risk.

 

Recommending a 250 is like recommending every 16 year old drive a 3 cylinder Geo Metro as a first car. Sure, it is the least risky option to recommend, but I think it's silly to ignore there are viable alternatives that come with marginally more risk.

 

If a r60/5 is too low on power, then I'd recommend an r75/6. They're usually $3k-4k on cl and ebay, all day long, for nice examples. My Dad bought his new in '75 and rebuilt the carbs once a few years ago. The thing fires right up after sitting for years at a time. They are extremely easy to learn and ride, and I still refuse to accept that they are anymore dangerous than a Kawasaki 300, especially given that it has nearly identical acceleration and power:weight figures. It's borderline moronic to make that claim.

 

 

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Originally Posted by EgliComet View Post

Early /5s were short frames.  And it wasn't an issue of being nimble...it was instability under very specific loads and maneuvering situations.  BMW (then Butler and Smith) actually offered modified swingarms and subframes to correct this on the early bikes.  You can easily identify a short frame from a long frame by looking at the swingarm welds. 

 

^This. The short wheel base was unstable at speed.

post #3242 of 4800
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Originally Posted by MarioImpemba View Post

 

Buying, registering, insuring, selling, buying another moto and all that over again is a pain in the ass.

 

If your friend had bought a 250 ninja or honda, sounds like he would have wanted to sell immediately then, considering a r60/5 has a higher top speed and hp. It also has more torque and a more usable, linear powerband, for new rider friendliness. Just another reason I think a 250 is a waste of time to purchase and inevitably resell when a 500/600/750 twin would hold you over longer before feeling the need to upgrade, and poses almost no higher risk.

 

Recommending a 250 is like recommending every 16 year old drive a 3 cylinder Geo Metro as a first car. Sure, it is the least risky option to recommend, but I think it's silly to ignore there are viable alternatives that come with marginally more risk.

 

If a r60/5 is too low on power, then I'd recommend an r75/6. They're usually $3k-4k on cl and ebay, all day long, for nice examples. My Dad bought his new in '75 and rebuilt the carbs once a few years ago. The thing fires right up after sitting for years at a time. They are extremely easy to learn and ride, and I still refuse to accept that they are anymore dangerous than a Kawasaki 300, especially given that it has nearly identical acceleration and power:weight figures. It's borderline moronic to make that claim.

 

 

Funny since my old shadow got gummed up carbs after I let it sit over the winter (without doing a proper winter storage). 

 

To say that a 30 year old bike is just as good for a new rider as a newer smaller displacement bike just sounds odd to me. 

post #3243 of 4800
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Originally Posted by MarioImpemba View Post

Buying, registering, insuring, selling, buying another moto and all that over again is a pain in the ass.

If your friend had bought a 250 ninja or honda, sounds like he would have wanted to sell immediately then, considering a r60/5 has a higher top speed and hp. It also has more torque and a more usable, linear powerband, for new rider friendliness. Just another reason I think a 250 is a waste of time to purchase and inevitably resell when a 500/600/750 twin would hold you over longer before feeling the need to upgrade, and poses almost no higher risk.

Recommending a 250 is like recommending every 16 year old drive a 3 cylinder Geo Metro as a first car. Sure, it is the least risky option to recommend, but I think it's silly to ignore there are viable alternatives that come with marginally more risk.

If a r60/5 is too low on power, then I'd recommend an r75/6. They're usually $3k-4k on cl and ebay, all day long, for nice examples. My Dad bought his new in '75 and rebuilt the carbs once a few years ago. The thing fires right up after sitting for years at a time. They are extremely easy to learn and ride, and I still refuse to accept that they are anymore dangerous than a Kawasaki 300, especially given that it has nearly identical acceleration and power:weight figures. It's borderline moronic to make that claim.



^This. The short wheel base was unstable at speed.
I would imagine the Beemers to handle/maneuver like ass compared to a Ninja

Plus the maintenance yeech.

There's nothing lost by starting on a 250. They are disposable and if you buy a used one and sell it in the condition you bought it you won't lose anything but registration/taxes. Plus I'd be weary of buying someone else's project. $4500 I think gets you a brand new 250/300. I'd get the 30 yr old bike later.
post #3244 of 4800
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Originally Posted by MarioImpemba View Post

If your friend had bought a 250 ninja or honda, sounds like he would have wanted to sell immediately then, considering a r60/5 has a higher top speed and hp. It also has more torque and a more usable, linear powerband, for new rider friendliness. Just another reason I think a 250 is a waste of time to purchase and inevitably resell when a 500/600/750 twin would hold you over longer before feeling the need to upgrade, and poses almost no higher risk.

No one on a modern 250/300 "needs to upgrade" within a few months of learning to ride anyway. I know tons of experienced riders that get by with 30hp or so. Heck, the chief reason I'm not riding one day-in/day-out is the insistence on everything looking like a sport bike these days. A good-looking naked version of the CBR250R or Ninja 300 would see my CB400 and and maybe even my NT650 gone. These beginner bikes will do 90mph, which means they can do interstate speeds with power to spare, well above what you'll need for touring on country roads/canyon carving. People just get caught up in an hp frenzy...
post #3245 of 4800
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Originally Posted by epb View Post


No one on a modern 250/300 "needs to upgrade" within a few months of learning to ride anyway. I know tons of experienced riders that get by with 30hp or so. Heck, the chief reason I'm not riding one day-in/day-out is the insistence on everything looking like a sport bike these days. A good-looking naked version of the CBR250R or Ninja 300 would see my CB400 and and maybe even my NT650 gone. These beginner bikes will do 90mph, which means they can do interstate speeds with power to spare, well above what you'll need for touring on country roads/canyon carving. People just get caught up in an hp frenzy...

 

Honda has their 500 triplets

 

 

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2013models/2013-Honda-CBR500RA-ABS1.jpg

post #3246 of 4800
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Honda has their 500 triplets


2013-Honda-CBR500RA-ABS1.jpg

Those are interesting, and I have thought about if they should be my next bike.

The naked ninja 300 (which will probably never come to the US) also sounds pretty good.
post #3247 of 4800
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Originally Posted by epb View Post

No one on a modern 250/300 "needs to upgrade" within a few months of learning to ride anyway. I know tons of experienced riders that get by with 30hp or so. Heck, the chief reason I'm not riding one day-in/day-out is the insistence on everything looking like a sport bike these days. A good-looking naked version of the CBR250R or Ninja 300 would see my CB400 and and maybe even my NT650 gone. These beginner bikes will do 90mph, which means they can do interstate speeds with power to spare, well above what you'll need for touring on country roads/canyon carving. People just get caught up in an hp frenzy...

 

Heh, I still want a damn 125 or 250 scooter to ride to work every day biggrin.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Funny since my old shadow got gummed up carbs after I let it sit over the winter (without doing a proper winter storage). 

 

To say that a 30 year old bike is just as good for a new rider as a newer smaller displacement bike just sounds odd to me. 

 

 

That's the problem right there.

 

Also, ya'll make good points. It'll definitely need work. I don't see that as a bad thing, personally, but I get it.

post #3248 of 4800
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Honda has their 500 triplets

I'm conflicted about the CB500 line - they are a good fit, but man, are they ugly.
post #3249 of 4800
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Originally Posted by epb View Post

I'm conflicted about the CB500 line - they are a good fit, but man, are they ugly.
Heavy too
post #3250 of 4800
This fender (bobbed):

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or this fender (stock Scrambler)

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post #3251 of 4800
Bobbed.
post #3252 of 4800
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Originally Posted by epb View Post

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Honda has their 500 triplets

I'm conflicted about the CB500 line - they are a good fit, but man, are they ugly.

Too bad you guys don't get the Yamaha SR400.
post #3253 of 4800
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Originally Posted by TRINI View Post

This fender (bobbed):

$(KGrHqRHJEcFD)sDeFCrBR!sjYoPdw~~60_58.JPG

or this fender (stock Scrambler)

IMG_20130420_1544531_zpsc125ea90.jpg

Trini, you are a compulsive customizer.
post #3254 of 4800
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Originally Posted by John Doe View Post

Bobbed.


Seconded

post #3255 of 4800
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Originally Posted by John Doe View Post

Bobbed.

If you're never going to ride in the rain, I agree. It looks good.

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Originally Posted by Fang66 View Post

Too bad you guys don't get the Yamaha SR400.

Cycle World claimed to see it being tested in California a while back.

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